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That would be better than what I perceive to be your trolling to the thread to be honest from my viewpoint matter how you explain it. Seeing it closed would be better than seeing it crapped on over and over. Just how I see it and imo.

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19 minutes ago, jazzbo said:

That would be better than what I perceive to be your trolling to the thread to be honest from my viewpoint matter how you explain it. Seeing it closed would be better than seeing it crapped on over and over. Just how I see it and imo.

Crapped on how? By posting images not aimed only at non-horny-straight-guys?

If that's the case, then you are making my point for me, thank you.

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Your attitude presented in your posts in my opinion is crappy and the crapping. I think personally your "point" is a manufactured one for you to have fun with a trolly attitude.

Just how I see it. I'll say no more.

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Just now, jazzbo said:

 I think personally your "point" is a manufactured one for you to have fun with a trolly attitude.

Nothing could be further from the truth, my friend, believe me. I take this matter very seriously, and my positioned has definitely evolved in response to the evolutions in society at large.

Again - remember The Babe Thread. THIS thread almost got taken down alongside that one, but a LOT of whining kept it alive, against ownership's initial instincts. That was, what, about 10 years ago? How much has the world changed since then? If the Liv Tyler carwash photos (which I posted, iirc) came down that far back...what about all these nude/almost nude/might as well BE nude pictures deserve pride of placement on this site just because they're album covers? Seriously? Has the culture not changed at all?

I think it has, so if this thread does continue, there will be further representations of all types of "sexy" for all types of people in all types of circumstances. Because if one kind of that gets in, all kinds of that get in. And if we don't want all kinds of that in here, then let's not have any of it in here.

This is not trolling, trust me. This is dead serious.

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I wish I could accept that as fully true and accurate and even honorable. I just don't, an opinion I've felt grow from reading this board the last few years.

Anyway do what you have to do but I'd say either quit doing what I see as trolling the thread or lobby to close it.

Do what cha want, you're a mod and my interest in this thread is just entertainment oriented, don't see it as a barb against evolved social decency, and my interest in the board continues to wane for a number or reasons.

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2 minutes ago, jazzbo said:

I wish I could accept that as fully true and accurate and even honorable.

I am not responsible for making your wishes come true, so that part's on you.

Otherwise, I kid a lot. A LOT.

But believe me when I tell you that I am not kidding here.

As indicated earlier, I have brought this up with ownership and will follow their lead, whatever that is.

One thing that is not going to happen, though, is for there to be only one kind of "sexy" album cover. Neither you nor I nor anybody owns what that is or isn't.

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I'm unconvinced, sorry. Do what you will.  

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Each to his preferences.

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Thanks for the guidance, Aleister Crowley!

11 minutes ago, jazzbo said:

I'm unconvinced, sorry. Do what you will.  

 

10 minutes ago, mikeweil said:

Each to his preferences.

Do you really mean that? If so, good.

And if my preference is for a wide swath of humanity in all settings that I see as in any way sexy, then ok, we will be on the same page.

To this point in time, though, that has not been the case.

If it were up to me, this thread would be locked, or probably, deleted. I really do NOT think it's a good look for the board in 2021. I've come to this conclusion gradually, but inexorably. Hell, I've got posts ALL over this thread, and going back always. So I'm not proclaiming purity here, hardly. But...times have changed, positions evolve, people evolve. So if this was my business, I would take the whole thing down.

But as demonstrated more than once, people get buggy about them some sexy album covers, so I'm not making that call on my own.

And if it stays open, do not complain when there is diversity presented, even if it's to draw a laugh. Because I find a lot to laugh at in things "sexy", and as you said - each to his (literally, in my case!) preferences.

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... and yes, it can be fun(ny) ...

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Skateboarding in the dark is hardly a laughing matter!  YES! DO TURN ON THE LIGHTS!!! And leave them on after the photo shoot, please!

or is that a freakin' airplane wing she's on? Wrong type of mile high club, maybe? No wonder there's so much distrust in the world today.

 

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Could it be you are taking all this a bit too seriously? If most of us are horny middle-aged men you act like one in his mid-life crisis questioning his sexual orientation. 

So much for calling names. I won't say no more.

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WOW!

 

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Sounds like Jim's gotten woke, and demands that we all join his religion.

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WOW!

Again.

Trust me, at 65, I am never woke even after two cups of coffee.

Likewise, I am long past my midlife crisis (that involved a lot of cocaine and other anti-social behaviors).

Never been anything but gleefully hetero, although, yes, I have always questioned my religion, finally found it fatally lacking, and still waiting for it to become relevant again. Not holding my breath, don't think that even Houdini had that kind of lung capacity.

So now that we've gotten the projections(?) out of the way - objectively speaking...is all this what you would want associated with your "brand"? Keep in mind, this board is not a private club, it's ultimately a promotional tool. Our demographic is not expanding, the new memebers we are getting seem to not be 60+, and I am already noticing a shift in tone, about music and everything else..

Is it a good look for the brand to have page after page of people excoriating Steve Coleman for Greg Osby or treating women as an object? Maybe, probably, even if those are two different casees but and two different circumstances. Yeh, it's not a good look if we had a thread full of yeah guys, got get that! when here's page after page of images that pretty much encourage you to do exactly that?

Of course, one is real-life, the other fantasy/"entertainment", and of course they are not the same thing in any intelligent discourse.

Yes, "individual taste". But before you can get to that, there should be a "general consensus". And some of this stuff is jsut...no longer part of the general consensus, Sorry, it's just not.

So, if this is the place where any of you come to get your heteronormative (sp?) jollies, allow me to advise you that The Internet Is Still Your Friend, possible waaaaaay more than you realize, and now more than ever. Why, it's FREE now, and you needn't bother yourself with all this dull music shit.

Otherwise, I say we just move ahead, in whatever that form needs to take.

So to summarize - not enough coffee in the world for that, can't stop the clock (much less turn it back), still puttin' it where I want it, your religion sucks at least as much as mine did/does/will, free erotica/porn of every stripe imaginable for anybody who wants it, so let's think about business here.

 

 

 

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On 6/11/2021 at 9:30 PM, JSngry said:

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On 6/11/2021 at 4:16 AM, Rabshakeh said:

I always thought that this period of French medieval music is calling out for a treatment by a WSQ type group. Konitz's Jugenstill II sort of came close.

I actually bought that record, and now I get your point. Very interesting music.

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5 hours ago, JSngry said:

 

I actually bought that record, and now I get your point. Very interesting music.


I’m a big fan of it. It gets lost in Konitz’ massive discography but it is definitely a worthwhile on. 

I’ve been a big Machaut fan since I was a little kid when his music caught my attention. Adapting medieval/renaissance small group vocal concepts to a post-Ornette saxophone group always seemed like it would be a great idea to me. I don’t mean an MJQ type all counterpoint treatment or a Garbarek type fusion. More something that really explores how “voices” intertwine in a group setting, with all the harmonies and the clashes as the long melody lines written for the different voices combine and move apart - The early WSQ and that Jugenstill II record are the closest I’ve heard to that music in my head. 

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9 hours ago, JSngry said:

Trying to not be blunt and say that in 2021, in this world at this time, this thread as originally created has outlived its usefulness, trying to drop hints, but you guys don't take hints very well.

I will neither unilaterally lock nor delete this thread. but I have brought it up with ownership, what to do with a 20th Century concept in a 21st Century world.

What about moderation suited for the 21st century without endless verbal self indulgence .... I think we would deserve it .... and potential new (younger) members READ too .... 

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I think Jsngry has this spot on. Thank you for making the stand and eloquently explaining your position. This thread borders on the tawdry and pathetic.

This thread is outdated and does the forum no favours. The objectification of the female body may be centuries old but it doesn't, and shouldn't be perpetuated simply on that premise.

If that makes me 'woke' then count me proud to be so.

Whilst the thread continues to exist I say keep posting the non-heteronormative options Jsngry, the responses to them are just so revealing 

2 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:


I’m a big fan of it. It gets lost in Konitz’ massive discography but it is definitely a worthwhile on. 

I’ve been a big Machaut fan since I was a little kid when his music caught my attention. Adapting medieval/renaissance small group vocal concepts to a post-Ornette saxophone group always seemed like it would be a great idea to me. I don’t mean an MJQ type all counterpoint treatment or a Garbarek type fusion. More something that really explores how “voices” intertwine in a group setting, with all the harmonies and the clashes as the long melody lines written for the different voices combine and move apart - The early WSQ and that Jugenstill II record are the closest I’ve heard to that music in my head. 

Now this is the one worthwhile post in the thread. I had never thought of the links between the two genres both of which I listen to, Renaissance polyphony lees so. Now I need to hear the Konitz.

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I confess I don't argue with the statements here about this thread and its perception and its "outofplaceness" in this contemporary setting. For me it was just fun to post album covers I encountered that exhibited the factors of "sexiness" in different time periods, and to see the same selected by others. It is/was fun. I view this forum as an isolated little pocket of people talking among themselves, I don't have a sense it has any real influence in the real world in important or influential ways. That's possibly a very inaccurate feeeling, but I know feelings don't have to be completely accurate.

My beef was in Jim's postings themselves which seem like an "f'you" to posters in the thread. Over the last few years I've gotten this feeling from a number of his postings, accurately or inaccurately. Felt as if he was continually taking swipes at posters here clothed in a humorous fashion, though often that clothing seemed ill-fitting and more a costume or disguise. And I have been exposed to discussions off the board about this with members and ex-members which in my own unhappiness of the last few years has increased this uneasiness with postings and moderations. All of this may be way off-base, but feelings aren't logical, and they operate below the surface at times and then rear their ugly heads both unspoken and typed. 

So I apologize, I have a hard time after seeing all these posts that I found neither funny nor educational in this thread believing there has been a method of pseudo cancel-culturing at play, that just seemed a manufactured tactic to me, as others have seemed in other places on the board. Once this sort of distrust of a poster's intentions and a fixation on a certain tone online sets in for me it's hard to shake. I'm going to try to shake it hard.

My apologies for my attitude and reactions and even the way I feel, I'll say no more about this thread and may not participate. I may even cut back on my participation here--it's not as important an internet pit stop for me as it used to be for a number of reasons. Thanks for hopefully understanding my honest response here.

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The question of whether this thread is "a good look" for Jim's board is a separate question. Should he choose to say "delete the thread" I got no quarrel. His board, his rules.

However the idea that this is some sort of outdated concept is simply ludicrous. Sex sells, and just look around at the record covers produced for actually popular genres of music. And young(er) people who may come to the board, this is going to surprise them? Again, ludicrous, unless they are Afghan refugees or Amish. 

Let's also recall that Jim is the one who decided to school the rest of us on what isn't sexy - as I recall, pure T&A doesn't cover it per our moderator. Only then did he decide to start posting pretty much anything and everything he wanted to as some sort of corrective. 

How about live and let live?  The thread harms no one. (And I also like Lon's comment about 'sexiness' as portrayed over time in the medium of album covers.)  If Jim A. no longer wants it, fine.  If Jim S. wants to post everything and anything, fine ... I stopped clicking a while back on any new content link in this thread if it was posted by him.

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Yes, sex sells but that doesn't make it edifying or mean it doesn't demean and objectify women whilst doing so.

As for @jazzbopost above, that's so thoughtful as ever from this poster and I sincerely hope that the affect of this discussion doesn't mean less of you on this board.

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Jim A owns the board.  JSngry is just a poster and unpaid moderator.  His opinions are as valuable, and no more valuable, than anyone else's here.  He attempts to get his way by burying a thread under his massive verbiage, which is meant to turn off others.  As seen only a day ago, JSngry attempted to kill a new thread ("This or That?") for reasons known only to himself.  He also seems to be posting an awful lot lately, in all threads.  These are not good trends.  Respect for everyone here is important; as Dan said above, live and let live.

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1 minute ago, mjzee said:

  As seen only a day ago, JSngry attempted to kill a new thread ("This or That?") for reasons known only to himself.  

Calling bullshit on that. I honestly misunderstood the intent of the thread and cleaned it up after realizing how fully wrong I was.

3 minutes ago, mjzee said:

 He attempts to get his way by burying a thread under his massive verbiage, which is meant to turn off others.  

Calling bullshit on that too.

4 minutes ago, mjzee said:

 Respect for everyone here is important; as Dan said above, live and let live.

Yeah, let's try that, shall we?

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45 minutes ago, mjzee said:

Jim A owns the board.  JSngry is just a poster and unpaid moderator.  His opinions are as valuable, and no more valuable, than anyone else's here.  He attempts to get his way by burying a thread under his massive verbiage, which is meant to turn off others.  As seen only a day ago, JSngry attempted to kill a new thread ("This or That?") for reasons known only to himself.  He also seems to be posting an awful lot lately, in all threads.  These are not good trends.  Respect for everyone here is important; as Dan said above, live and let live.

Sorry but I disagree. I interpret @JSngry album cover posts upthread as an entertaining and slightly mischievous attempt to highlight quite what a heteronormative and exclusive thread this is. Only when these posts were met with complaints and/or challenges and accusations of trolling did he move to some perfectly articulated arguments to support his view about this thread.  I've not read any 'massive verbiage' nor have I seen any attempt to bury the thread but maybe I'm missing that angle as I agree with his views on the thread's content.  Happy to be accused of that.

I'm sure he'll correct me if my interpretation is incorrect. He doesn't need me to defend him, I'm sure so happy to step back if that's what @JSngry wishes but until then I'm happy to say again that his opinions on this thread seem bang on to me.  It's outmoded, serves no purpose other than mild titillation and a kind of diluted barrack-room hetero-male bravado and demeans women whilst doing so.

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