Jim R Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 Weiss has been around a long time, I see. I have him on the Hampton Hawes Saba/MPS session from 1967, as well as a 1963 Ingfried Hoffman session for Philips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Then there's a nice (european) release of late Jordan called "Clifford Jordan meets Klaus Weiss", recorded in Vienna in 1987 it features Jordan with John Schröder, g; Roberto di Gioia, p; Thomas Stabenow, b; Klaus Weiss, d. Find more here ubu DUDE! A good friend just hooked me up with a copy of this, and it's BAAAAADDDD. Clifford's got his burr on real nice, and the rhythm section SMOKES! Probably a bitch-and-a-half to find, but well worth it! I see that nobody's commented on SOUL FOUNTAIN. It's good, not great. If you can find a good deal on it and want something short and hiply entertaining, get it. There's far worse music to buy. Good to hear you like it! Just got to ignore the ugly cover - it could disturb or even keep you away from the CD... ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 (edited) Another vote for These are my roots. CJ plays Leadbelly. I recently got it and I´m listening to it again and again! Edited July 15, 2004 by EKE BBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 You're at least the second here to praise this one, and I remember it got bad reviews when it was reissued ..... never trust the critics alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 It did not get much praise either when it was originally released in the mid-sixties. Bought the vinyl then and have enjoyed this one since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 The best thing about it is how amazingly Led plays guitar lefthanded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted July 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Then there's a nice (european) release of late Jordan called "Clifford Jordan meets Klaus Weiss", recorded in Vienna in 1987 it features Jordan with John Schröder, g; Roberto di Gioia, p; Thomas Stabenow, b; Klaus Weiss, d. Find more here ubu DUDE! A good friend just hooked me up with a copy of this, and it's BAAAAADDDD. Clifford's got his burr on real nice, and the rhythm section SMOKES! Probably a bitch-and-a-half to find, but well worth it! I see that nobody's commented on SOUL FOUNTAIN. It's good, not great. If you can find a good deal on it and want something short and hiply entertaining, get it. There's far worse music to buy. Good to hear you like it! Just got to ignore the ugly cover - it could disturb or even keep you away from the CD... ubu Dare I ask what the cover looks like???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted December 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 (edited) Why is this one such a bitch to find?? I understand our own Spontoonious has been looking for one for years (but the bidding always goes too high for him, and he never sees it when digging through LP's). And another buddy of mine (a guy 10,000 LP's in his basement), used to have it -- but was offered $300 for it once, and it's one of the very few LP's he's ever sold in his entire life (he keeps nearly everything he ever buys, 99% of the time). What's the deal?? Can anybody provide Spontoonious and me with a burn?? "In the World" (Strata East, 1969-ish) line-up (at least according to the AMG)... Don Cherry - Trumpet Richard Davis - Bass Kenny Dorham - Trumpet Ron Haynes - Drums Albert "Tootie" Heath - Drums Clifford Jordan - Tenor Wynton Kelly - Piano Julian Priester - Trombone Wilbur Ware - Bass Is everybody on every cut?? I'm guessing probably not. Two trumpets, two drummers, two bass-players. Any why is there an image of the cover in the AMG, when most of the time -- there've only got images of things that have been released on CD. AND, they have an image of the cover -- but no review!! (???) Edit: What's the big draw here?? Cherry in a conservative context?? Dorham in a progressive one?? One of Dorham's last dates?? Simple "supply and demand" issues?? (Though I wonder what's driving demand here, or is "supply" simply razor-thin?? - i.e. a very small initial pressing, and then nothing else - for some strange reason??) Lot's of speculating, I know. Edited December 5, 2004 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Why don't you e-mail that Hiroshi Tanno dude; he seems to be able to get rare stuff, from what other posters report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Just been listening to Max Roach's 'It's Time'. Jordan tears it up on the title track of this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Any comments on this one?? Ever been on CD?? (I'm guessing, probably not) Dusty describes it thusly... Clifford Jordan -- Soul Fountain (Vortex, 1970) A very unusual album from Clifford Jordan -- a session of shorter soul jazz numbers cut in the years between his earlier hardbop albums and his later, more righteous sounds of the 70s! The style here is straightforward and to the point -- very much in the Atlantic soul jazz style of the late 60s, but with some looser, freer touches -- especially on Jordan's solos, which are especially nice! There's organ on a fair bit of tracks on the record -- played by either John Patton or Frank Owens -- and other players include Jimmy Owens on trumpet, Bob Cranshaw on bass, and Billy Higgins on drums. Most tracks also have added percussion at the bottom (some by Ray Barretto) -- making for a slightly more complicated groove that comes across with some headier sounds than you might expect! Jordan not only plays his usual tenor, but also flute and a bit of piano -- and titles in clude "TNT", "HNIC", "I've Got A Feeling For You", "I Got You", "Senor Blues", "Retribution", and "Eeh Bah Lickey Doo". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Believe it's been on Japanese CD. I found the LP back in the 70s. Most of the cuts, as well as overall playing time, tend to be short. It's an "interesting" side, good-not-great, and somewhat "commercial (but not disgracefully so). One or two "straight ahead" things thrown in. Worth having if you're a CJ fan (and I am), but not worth paying megabucks for. imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Believe it's been on Japanese CD. Japanese Warner reissued this a few years ago. Not Jordan's best. 'These Are My Roots' on Atlantic from the same era is the one to get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I agree that "Cliff Craft', "The Adventurer", "Repetition" and "Live At Ethell's" are among the best recordings under Clifford Jordan's name. Here are some other good ones that I don't recall seeing mentioned. Cliff Jordan - Blue Note (with good Ray Bryant,John Jenkins and Lee Morgan) Royal Ballads - Criss Cross Two Tenor Winner - Criss Cross (with Junior Cook & Kirk Lightsey) Four Play - D.I.W (with James Williams) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 i just got a sketchy CD of clifford jordan "in the world" i think it is called. pretty good-i think originally on strata east. i really like the first tune, "vienna". interesting mix of modern and older school players for 1969 too-like wynton kelly and julian priester and don cherry and roy haynes and kenny dorham and ed blackwell. for some reason "glass bead games" never did it for me. sounded too commercial or something even though i am sure that wasn't the case. i like this "in the world one" better. i think i will explore some of those muse ones next. which is the most progressive of the muse dates? seems like savoy has put then back out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEK Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 i just got a sketchy CD of clifford jordan "in the world" i think it is called. pretty good-i think originally on strata east. i really like the first tune, "vienna". interesting mix of modern and older school players for 1969 too-like wynton kelly and julian priester and don cherry and roy haynes and kenny dorham and ed blackwell. for some reason "glass bead games" never did it for me. sounded too commercial or something even though i am sure that wasn't the case. i like this "in the world one" better. i think i will explore some of those muse ones next. which is the most progressive of the muse dates? seems like savoy has put then back out there. ← I think that "In The World" is great too; it was an LP on Strata East. I also love "Glass Bead Games". I think that you should give that one another listen or three. My favorite Muse recording with Clifford Jordan on it is Richard Davis's "Epistrophy/Now's The Time, Recorded Live at Jazz City", a very "live" date: passionate,boisterous, atmospheric, reflective, and "free" (for a Muse release). It was originally an LP, but had a nice version of "Highest Mountain" added on its CD incarnation. It has been one of my very favorite live albums since LP days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 i just got a sketchy CD of clifford jordan "in the world" i think it is called. pretty good-i think originally on strata east. i really like the first tune, "vienna". interesting mix of modern and older school players for 1969 too-like wynton kelly and julian priester and don cherry and roy haynes and kenny dorham and ed blackwell.← Sketchy, or not, what are the details?? If the SQ is even half-way OK, I'd love to find "In The World" on CD. Do tell!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 It's booted from an LP. I, too, would like to hear that record very much. Saw it for $70 the other day but that seemed a little steep for my pocketbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Playing this one right now, with Clifford in fine form: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapscott Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 One Jordan CD I like is the Big Band date, "Down Through the Years" (Milestone). Now it has some problems for sure. The band is pretty loose and the recording quality mediocre (the trumpet section is way down in the mix). Yet the rhythm section is smokin' (Ronnie Mathews, David Williams, and Vernel Fournier); the soloists esp. Jordan and Dizzy Reece are in excellent form, and the band swings hard. Despite the problems, the whole thing somehow comes together, and whenever I play it, it's a recording I'm glad I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 In The World is a great side. Found it in the early 80s and still play it regularly. My buddy Lyles West, who used to hang w/Clifford in the early 80s, tells me that Clifford said that that was his "best" record. Take that for what it's worth, but it's a damn fine side no matter how you slice it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 i just got a sketchy CD of clifford jordan "in the world" i think it is called. pretty good-i think originally on strata east. i really like the first tune, "vienna". interesting mix of modern and older school players for 1969 too-like wynton kelly and julian priester and don cherry and roy haynes and kenny dorham and ed blackwell.← Sketchy, or not, what are the details?? If the SQ is even half-way OK, I'd love to find "In The World" on CD. Do tell!! ← From the Strata-East vinyl... Musicians are Don Cherry, Julian Priester, Clifford Jordan, Wynton Kelly, Wilbur Ware, Richard Davis, Al Heath (side 1 only), Kenny Dorham, Roy Haynes, Ed Blackwell added on side 2. Recorded Spring 1969. side 1: - Vienna - Doug's Prelude side 2: - Ouagadougou - 872 This was 'the first of the Dolphy Series Produced by Clifford Jordan' says the back cover! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Guess I better get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Christensen Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Clifford Jordan is also one of my favorite tenorplayers. I' amazed that only once have "Royal Ballads" been mentioned, it is one of my favorite CD's: Clifford Jordan (tenor), Kevin O'Connell(piano), Ed Howard(bass), Vernell Fournier(drums). Lush Life; Pannonica; Royal Blues; Little Girl Blue; Armando; Don't Get Around Much Anymore; Everything Happens To Me; 'Round about Midnight. CrissCross CD 1025, it is a must for everybody that dig Clifford Jordan. Recorded 12/23/1986 by Van Gelder, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 I like the Vernell Fournier tune on that one: "Armando". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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