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i got $5 on the bo-sox today.

let's go pete!

i doubt they can win 2 games in a row in ny, but i'll pull for them.

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3-0 BoSox in the second!

Go SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buckner's revenge! :lol:

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Tell me all about it Ghost, I never doubted the hated yankees would pull it out, once again, for the billionth time, how very good for baseball.....no more baseball for me this year, the most UNINTERESTING series possible......I feel so bad for Red Sox fans, Cubs fans....... :angry::(

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The Yanks just won it, but the Sox have my complete respect. If Pedro had been taken out earlier, the Sox probably would have won. A game to remember for Yankee fans. Probably one to forget for Red Sox fans, but they have a helluva team. Whew!

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The wrong teams won. Can't root for either one.

DAMN!

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Talk about ripping your heart out. There's only person to be blamed for this loss and that's Grady Fucking Little. Did he get fucking brain lock or what? What the fuck! I haven't this about a game in 15 goddamn years. I can only imagine what Red Sox fans like Dan must be feeling. They must be sick to their stomach. You just want to vomit :angry::angry::angry::angry:

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Start spreading the news

I'm leaving today

I want to be a part of it, New York, New York

These vagabond shoes

Are longing to stray

And make a brand new start of it

New York, New York

I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps

To find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap

These little town blues

Are melting away

I'll brand a brand new start of it

In old New York

If I can make it there

I'll make it anywhere

It's up to you, New York, New York.

I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps

To find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap

These little town blues

Are melting away

I'll brand a brand new start of it

In old New York

If I can make it there

I'll make it anywhere

It's up to you, New York, New York.

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What Brad said.

This is 100%, no fucking doubt about it, Grady Fucking Little's fault.

Counting the number of times he should have taken Pedro out is like counting the number of times the Sox went to two strikes in Game Six of the '86 World Series.

1. Before the 8th inning started.

2. When he realized how many lefties were coming to the plate after Jeter.

3. After Williams' hit made it 5-3.

4. Etcetera, etcetera, AD FUCKING NAUSEUM.

Grady Little should keep a tape of this game handy for the rest of his worthless life, so that when his children's children ask why he never managed in the major leagues again, he can cue up the 8th inning.

The Yankees should vote Grady Little a full fucking World Series share.

Yankee fans are cordially, respectfully and sincerely invited to

EAT SHITANDDIE

:excited::rmad:

;)

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Grady "Little" must have gotten that nickname in the showers. If he had the anything in the rosin sack he carries in his shorts he'd have stuck w/ first instinct instead of cow towin' to Martinez. Whaddaya think Pedro's gonna say when asked if he wants to stay in the game? Sheesh! what ta do now. Pull out the old Chief Wahoo and hope the World Series gets cancelled this year. :angry:

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I don't think it's Grady Little's fault.....Martinez hasn't gone past the 7th all year- he begs out of more games when he could give his team a chance by going one or two more.......this time he wants to stay in and Little allowed it- he's their best pitcher and hoping he would rise to the occasion, take care of the inning. Do you actually want Alan Embree pitching instead of Martinez?? Not me....Embree is a 1 to 2 batter pitcher.....and it's not like the Yankees were hitting tracers off Martinez....that ball that took the funny hop to Millar, that broken bat flair that Posada hit.....that's baseball.

To clarify- I intensely don't like the Yankees ("hate" is a bad word) and was rooting for the Sox all the way. I won't watch the World Series because the Yankees are in it again and I'm tired of seeing them. That said- I hope the Marlins sweep them and beat them bad to boot.

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You're completely wrong.

If this were June or July when the bullpen was the Gas Can Gang, then yes, by all means, let Pedro pitch.

8th inning against Tampa Bay? Pedro all the way.

But everyone in that bullpen was pitching to their absolute best level of the season. The bullpen ERA was barely over 1, for fucking God's sake! Every game we won went 8th inning, Timlin, 9th inning, Williamson, and absolutely no damage was done to either one of them except for the harmless solo homer Williamson gave up with a three run lead in game 4. And Embree is very tough on lefties (hell, who got Giambi out with the winning run at second?).

It is inexcusable and unforgiveable to think that Pedro has earned any right to stay in the game. He's been babied the entire year, and now they keep him in? He was NOT the best pitcher on that team by the time the 8th inning came around. And yes, Posada's hit was a flare, but what about Matsui or Jeter? Those balls were clobbered, and they got clobbered in the seventh, too, except that they were hit at people. The writing was on the wall and there was never a goddamn reason in the world to leave Pedro in after the seventh.

And absolutely never a goddamn reason in the world to leave him in after he got into any sort of trouble.

GRADY LITTLE IS A FUCKING MORON WHO SHOULD RETURN TO THE OBSCURITY HE RICHLY DESERVES.

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Seems to me that the difference between near-success and the real deal is fluidity, the ability to toss theory out the window and do what needs to be done the second it needs to be done. In other words, respond to the moment in the moment, and don't let nobility interfere with reality. Grady Little had not learned this lesson as of last night. Hopefully he has now. He's fucked if he hasn't.

FWIW, when Joe Torre was managing the Braves way back when, he did the same thing. Always left pitchers in too long becasue he "believed in them". It worked out occasionally, but more often than not it bit him in the butt. Joe Torre no longer has this problem. Instead, he has World Series rings.

Carpe diem, baby.

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And btw, the TV coverage on Fox was sponsered by Tums, w/ads that directly mocked Prevacid OTC. The ESPN radio coverage was sponsored by Prevacid OTC, but there were also ads for Mylanta. I had to leave for work in the 8th, so I saw and heard both broadcasts.

Never has sponsorship been so conflicted, but never has it been so appropriate.

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In Pedro's defense, that sure was an ugly hit by Posada--talk about fighting one off! A lucky, ugly, flailing, fisted, nippler--but a 2 RBI killer nonetheless. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.

I would have yanked Pedro right after Matsui's double--if not sooner. Dan is right.

Damned Yankees.

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What Brad said.

This is 100%, no fucking doubt about it, Grady Fucking Little's fault.

Counting the number of times he should have taken Pedro out is like counting the number of times the Sox went to two strikes in Game Six of the '86 World Series.

1. Before the 8th inning started.

2. When he realized how many lefties were coming to the plate after Jeter.

3. After Williams' hit made it 5-3.

4. Etcetera, etcetera, AD FUCKING NAUSEUM.

Grady Little should keep a tape of this game handy for the rest of his worthless life, so that when his children's children ask why he never managed in the major leagues again, he can cue up the 8th inning.

The Yankees should vote Grady Little a full fucking World Series share.

Yankee fans are cordially, respectfully and sincerely invited to

EAT SHITANDDIE

:excited::rmad:

;)

Dan summed things up very nicely, especially to the Yankee Nation. :P

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Little pulled 'a Dusty Baker'

More like a Bobby Cox, who has to be one of the worst play-off managers in the history of the game. In the regular season, it's ok to give a pitcher the benefit of the doubt and leave him in but what are these guys thinking about leaving in Woods & Pedro? Well, it could be worse, they could've been down to one strike again. :tdown

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That's the beauty of opinions because....they're opinions! Grady took a chance and believed in Pedro- sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't- oh well.

Being a former pitcher in college, I've been in Pedro's situation many times. My manager comes to the mound and asks me how I feel- do I want to get this next batter? Most times I've answered truthfully- I can get him out, or no, I'm out of gas. I make a terrible pitch and the batter pops it up. Or I paint the low outside corner and the batter throws his bat at the ball and it just goes over the outstretched glove of the SS.

I believe that Grady Little went with his ace and would sink or swim with him rather than someone out of the bullpen. Grady lost this time. Maybe he'll win next time. But that's baseball.

And lets not overlook the job he did this year, compared to previous Red Sox teams and their final standings. I think the Red Sox did well and they should be proud of their season. They'll be back.

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What Brad said.

This is 100%, no fucking doubt about it, Grady Fucking Little's fault.

Counting the number of times he should have taken Pedro out is like counting the number of times the Sox went to two strikes in Game Six of the '86 World Series.

1.  Before the 8th inning started.

2.  When he realized how many lefties were coming to the plate after Jeter.

3.  After Williams' hit made it 5-3.

4.  Etcetera, etcetera, AD FUCKING NAUSEUM.

Grady Little should keep a tape of this game handy for the rest of his worthless life, so that when his children's children ask why he never managed in the major leagues again, he can cue up the 8th inning.

The Yankees should vote Grady Little a full fucking World Series share.

Yankee fans are cordially, respectfully and sincerely invited to

EAT SHITANDDIE

:excited:  :rmad:

;)

Dan summed things up very nicely, especially to the Yankee Nation. :P

I think I'll pass on Dan's, ah, "invitation." ;)

As a Yankee fan I was astonished (and grateful) when Little didn't pull Martinez in the 8th. I was listening on the radio, so I hadn't seen the contact that was being made, but from Joe Morgan & co.'s description it surely sounded as if Pedro had run out of gas. He was at 115 pitches! That said, going into extra innnings I still felt that the Red Sox had the advantage. Going into the bottom of the 10th, Rivera had now pitched two innings (yeah, I know Jeter said Rivera used to be a starter and could've gone longer than 3, but Torre didn't think so--wasn't Contreras warming up when Boone hit his homer?) and Boston had yet to use Wakefield or Williamsen. By the time the bottom of the 11th rolled around, Rivera was now either gone or pitching longer than he had since 1996--and, as I said yesterday, I don't think Torre trusted anybody else in the bullpen against Boston (hence his use of Mussina and Wells last night). This is going to be a big problem for NY against the Marlins; if their starters don't go 7, they get into trouble. And who are they going to start tomorrow night? Contreras? Ya got me... If I had to bet on the Series, I'd give slight odds to the Marlins. I know it won't have the romance of Boston-Chicago (or New York-Chicago, the Series that I--and no doubt Fox--was dreaming of), but game-wise I think it's going to be a great one.

Much, much respect to the Red Sox. I'll spare you the rest of the sports-announcer cliches, but what other two teams could play 26 times in one year and go down to the wire like that? Talk about adding another incredible chapter to the lore of these two clubs...

Memo to Grady Little and Dusty Baker: Gentlemen, regarding the overextended use of your aces in the late innings... get a f#%@ing clue!

Recommended offseason reading: THE YEAR THE YANKEES LOST THE PENNANT, by Douglass Wallop. Published in 1954 and the basis for DAMN YANKEES, but more enjoyable than the musical, IMO. Great baseball novel.

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FYI - Jon Miller and Joe Morgan are doing the ESPN radio broadcast of the Series. It frees us from the annoyance of the lame Fox announcers and and irritating sound effects.

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As a casual unbiased observer (I hate both the Yanks AND the Sox), I have to agree: Little deserves the Undisputed Chump of the Year Award for letting Pedro go as long as he did. Completely inexcusable. And forgive me for saying this, but I don’t buy this “believing in your best pitcher stuff.” Sangrey is absolutely right: do what you gotta do, when you gotta do it. His ass should be canned PRONTO! (So he can manage the Rangers, where he’ll fit in much nicer :rolleyes: )

Him and Baker deserve their goat status right now. In fact, folks in Chicago oughta focus all their bile away from Bartman and right onto Baker for his folksy “aw, shucks” attitude after losing the biggest game of his career. Any REAL manager would’ve been breathing hellfire and brimstone if his guys had given away eight runs in one inning like that (of course, a REAL manager wouldn’t’ve left his pitchers in there for longer than they needed to be). Baker’s reaction to losing: “Well, these things just happen I guess.” GMAFB!!!!! :angry::angry::angry:

The 11th inning homer by Boone was bittersweet: on the one hand, guys dream their whole lives for a moment like that; how cool then to have your brother watching from the broadcaster’s booth when that moment comes? On the other hand, I felt awful for Wakefield, and hope that no one holds that moment against him. If Little had used his brain in the 8th, there wouldn’t have been a need for it to come down to the wire like that. :(

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Yeah the beauty of opinions on sports, huh...someone yank the "pitcher" who's tellin' all us bat-girls how we should analyze this ;) (just kiddin', really!). Too Little too Late! That's that!!!

Just heard a little blurp of Garciapara explaining that the fans should be thankful and proud because no one out there realizes or quite understands the tremendous stress and pressure they are under every single day. Oh, I guess I forgot they're making multi-millions playing a kids' game. And here I though policing Iraqis and healing the sick was just a day at the park.

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Fuck the World Series. In fact, fuck baseball.

:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

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