Shrdlu Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Not at all new. Amazon has two versions of this 2 CD set, 1998 and 2001, both American releases. Does anyone know which of these sounds better (if that can be decided, lol)? I wonder why they would put out a new version, so soon after the other one. Thanks in advance for comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 The 2001 item is listed as an import. Probably just the date of issue in the source country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Thanks, Chuck. I saw that too, but when I looked into it, they both turned out to be U.S. releases. I'm guessing that these are one and the same. Websites like Amazon and Allmusic are not noted for their accuracy. By the way, I am used to the original LP, but have never gotten around to hearing the rest of the material. Some of the Amazon reviewers moan about the sound, but I don't recall the LP sounding bad. For me, the main attraction was "So What", with stunning solos by Miles, Hank and Wynton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I thought there was some distortion on the ensemble parts in So What. Trumpets were too hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMP Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 You're talking about the 2 CD set with the extra material? Probably sounds about as good as any edition, the original LP wasn't anything spectacular, not as well recorded as the same group's "Blackhawk" performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 was this ever put out the in mono, or is the "electronically reprocessed for stereo" the only edition...ive never come across a mono yet.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 It was first issued in mono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Mobley has some stunning moments there (on Pfrancing I think? Or was it Oleo?), and the rhythm section really smokes! Also "Concierto de Aranquez" might be even better here than on "Sketches of Spain"! Plus I'm a total sucker for "Teo", that one just smokes, up to the end, and to me, it could go on for ten more minutes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I always thought it was a shame these 5 CDs worth of Miles with with Mobley - Someday my Prince Will Come, Carmegie Hall and Blackhawk - were not given the same exclusive box set treatment as the material before and after. If they could do the box with Coleman, why not this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I always thought it was a shame these 5 CDs worth of Miles with with Mobley - Someday my Prince Will Come, Carmegie Hall and Blackhawk - were not given the same exclusive box set treatment as the material before and after. If they could do the box with Coleman, why not this one? Yes, true! I first bought "Someday My Prince Will Come" after all the boxes were out and it was quite clear that the Mobley parts of it would never be on any box... marvellous album! And the material is great, too! (It's 6CDs of live and one of studio material btw, but I guess it would have all fit onto 5-6 CDs in a box-set). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 is this the only example of hank with strings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 strings? well, i guess the harp has strings, but also chambers' bass... grant green's guitar was stringed, too on "workout" - so yes or no, depending what you mean by "strings" (or wait, was hank wearing a str... well, never mind...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 What he's trying to say Aric is. . . it's a jazz orchestra, brass and reeds, no violins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 What he's trying to say Aric is. . . it's a jazz orchestra, brass and reeds, no violins. well, I was posting under the assumption that Aric just mixed things up or forgot... surely he knows this concert, as it includes some of the very best recordings ever made by Mobley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 there is a Diz w/ strings album i think mobley was on one cut but the cut w/ mobley had no strings.... yea come to mention it that sounds right, re- jazz orchestra, no strings/// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 By bringing out the 4 CD set of the Blackhawk material, Columbia destroyed any chance of issuing a 6 or 7 CD box set along the lines of all the other ones. In the case of the Blackhawk set, it's too much of the same thing for me to play all at once. It doesn't keep my attention for very long. If only Philly Joe had been in the group at that time. The electricity that he provided would have made a big difference. But I do like the Carnegie Hall album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 If you get the Blackhawk 4-CD, the Carnegie Hall twofer, and 'Prince', you pretty much have all the official Mobley with Miles, unless there are some out-takes from 'Prince' I don't know about. I'm not really sure there is a need to have this further boxed. Of course, this is the official stuff. We'll not even get into the 20-CD tree of Mobley with Miles that's circulating. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 In case there was any doubt 24 hours later - the thing about the tree was a joke. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) If you get the Blackhawk 4-CD, the Carnegie Hall twofer, and 'Prince', you pretty much have all the official Mobley with Miles.... Bertrand. Right, and FWIW, I think that's plenty. Mobley, IMO, was not an ideal replacement in Miles' band and I think it becomes somewhat apparent on the Blackhawk material. Not to say that Mobley did not play his ass off here and there, just the overall picture is that he just didn't have that edginess that Trane or Shorter brought to the table. I also wanted to add that I much perfer Mobley's BN's to his stints with Miles, where he plays in settings that were more suited to his compositions and style. Edited March 16, 2009 by Holy Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I think I agree with that, H G. Hank's BN sessions are real good. It was rough on Hank to have to follow Trane with Miles. I'm a tenor player too, and I sure wouldn't have wanted to do that. Mind you, no amount of money would have made me play with Miles. Awesome player and innovator, of course, but personally, ........ (Another difficult guy that I would love to have played with was Monk, though. I can do his repertoire, partly because I worked with a pianist who played opposite Monk for 6 months on tour. Someone once said "How could you play a solo with Monk comping like that behind you?", but I don't see any problem at all.) After all we have said in this thread, though, Hank was a superb player, and even those Blackhawk recordings are excellent music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I think I agree with that, H G. Hank's BN sessions are real good. It was rough on Hank to have to follow Trane with Miles. I'm a tenor player too, and I sure wouldn't have wanted to do that. Mind you, no amount of money would have made me play with Miles. Awesome player and innovator, of course, but personally, ........ (Another difficult guy that I would love to have played with was Monk, though. I can do his repertoire, partly because I worked with a pianist who played opposite Monk for 6 months on tour. Someone once said "How could you play a solo with Monk comping like that behind you?", but I don't see any problem at all.) After all we have said in this thread, though, Hank was a superb player, and even those Blackhawk recordings are excellent music. This is assuming, of course, that he would have even bothered to ask if you even wanted to jam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Yeah, I had those Blackhawk LPs when I was first getting into jazz and especially Miles and Trane. I inherited battered originals from my dad, of course. They didn't really hold up, for me, compared to the material with Trane or with Shorter and Coleman. But even then, I still really liked what Mobley was trying to do and sought out his recordings for BN. I wouldn't mind hearing the material again after all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMP Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 At the time, Mobley was pretty much the brunt of any criticism that the band received. By the way - has anything with that group plus J.J. Johnson ever surfaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I wonder what this band would have been like had Miles not been such a lazy motherfucker and learned some Mobley originals. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Good point! Point of the month! Miles's repertoire in the early 60s has been described as stale in at least one set of liner notes. However, we all know what wonders his various groups were able to perform with that material, the Plugged Nickel date giving probably the most stunning example (just at the point when Miles was about to drop nearly all of those tunes permanently). It would have been great to hear Miles playing some of those Mobley tunes. After all, he didn't exactly mind playing Wayne's tunes not long afterwards. It's a pity Hank is not still around, so that we could all give him a hug and let him know how much we appreciate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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