mikeweil Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Has this Riverside 10 incher ever been reissued on CD, or has anybody heard it and can tell how it is? Thanks ... RLP 2517 Don Elliott/Rusty Dedrick - Six Valves Rusty Dedrick (tp -1,3/5) Don Elliott (tp -1/3,5) Dick Hyman (p) Mundell Lowe (g) Eddie Safranski (b) Don Lamond (d) NYC, March 16 & 17, 1955 1. Dominick Seventh 2. When Your Lover Has Gone 3. Gargantuan Chant 4. It's Easy To Remember 5. Vampire Till Ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Just found this: Double Trumpet Doings Featuring Don Elliott (Jazzland JLP 15; Fantasy OJCCD 1925-2) - I should have looked further before posting. Still: how is this? (I like the Hyman/Lowe team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 just found this one used last week - was hesitant if I should buy it, did buy but not listen yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) amazon.com has samples. I was inspired to look into this because of the splendid work of Hyman and Lowe on this one (Keepnews mentions the Elliott date in his notes): ...but these trumpet duets are not as much to my liking, I think. Is that the same Don Elliott playing trumpet as well as mallets (e.g. with George Shearing)? Edited August 26, 2009 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Yes, that's Don Elliott... to my best knowledge, there's just one guy. He also played with Bill Evans (the duo disc "Tenderly" is rather fascinating). I don't have that Mundell Lowe disc, alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyhersom Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 If you buy a CD or lp, and then research to find out if you should spend valuable listening time on it ... you too may be a shopaholic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 you'se talkin' to me, Sir? I certainly am a shopaholic as far as books and CDs are concerned... I happily confess! Gave the disc a first spin last night, not sure about it yet, it's not earth shaking for sure, and it's certainly not bad either... probably just a minor thing, a blow-out by two footnotes in jazz history or some such (not to put Elliott down, I have several discs where he appears... Dedrick on the other hand I hadn't even heard the name before...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Don Elliott worked primarily in the ad biz in New York during the 50s and early 60s. I remember my parents talking about him. That would partially explain the Mundell Lowe/Dick Hyman connection too. This is one of my favorite record covers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 And here I though his main job was with the Nutty Squirrels Seriously: why would that explain the Lowe/Hyman connection? Where they in the same business? Hyman I mostly know from all those wonderful Woody Allen soundtracks... can't be all bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Seriously: why would that explain the Lowe/Hyman connection? Where they in the same business? Yes. My parents worked with both of them frequently on commercials and sessions, so yeah, there would have been a natural connection with Don Elliott because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 You mean they worked performing musical "scores" for commercials? Sorry to seem so idiot here, but reading "ad biz" I naturally tought - being (still pretty) young - that they worked as graphic designers or texters or whatever... I've not known the days when they used to write new music for tv or radio commercials... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) That's exactly what he means. It used to be a huge source of income for tons of musicians and recording studios. Don't know when this area collapsed, but in the '80s I still had friends feeding their families this way. I want to add I bought this in high school for about $.79 (circa 1961) and it struck me as professional and no more. Edited August 30, 2009 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) Yes, doing commercial jingles. My parents were group singers in New York and did this sort of work regularly all through the 50s and early 60s. Mundell Lowe, Eddie Safranski and Dick Hyman were among the regular musicians who played on these. They used to talk about Don Elliott simply as a colleague long before I'd ever encountered his name on a jazz LP. He was definitely involved - I think he was a composer and/or arranger for commercial jingle sessions, but my parents are no longer of this realm so I can't confirm. By the mid-60s, other towns like LA, Nashville, and Dallas became involved in commercial jingles, plus the styles had changed with the arrival of the Beatles and youth culture, so there was less of this sort of work for them in New York by then. But it still existed to some degree. Edited August 30, 2009 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 That's very interesting! I had no idea that there was even a possibility to make a living out of that... studio work of all kinds, yes, but that commercials were such a big field, I had no clue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 (edited) That's very interesting! I had no idea that there was even a possibility to make a living out of that... studio work of all kinds, yes, but that commercials were such a big field, I had no clue! Well, this only goes to show to what degree jazz as a performing art did NOT enable even seasoned jazzmen to make a living in those days. Besides, some bios have it that even Rod Stewart got his start this way in the 60s in the UK. So if jingles might serve as a stepping stone to eventually propel you into stardom, they can just as well be useful if - regardless of your previous artistic credentials - you decide being a studio hack holds more financial calculability for you than those one-nighters. Edited August 31, 2009 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 So if jingles might serve as a stepping stone to eventually propel you into stardom, they can just as well be useful if - regardless of your previous artistic credentials - you decide being a studio hack holds more financial calculability for you than those one-nighters. Would that today's hacks who do music for commercials on Protools make music as artful as the hacks from the 50s and 60s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 That's very interesting! I had no idea that there was even a possibility to make a living out of that... studio work of all kinds, yes, but that commercials were such a big field, I had no clue! Hi Ubu .. I used to make my (very good) living in the "ad biz" in the early 1960's (shades of the tv show "Mad Men")... Jingles were a major musical art form for a long period in the history of commercial radio ... for an interesting perspective see this: http://www.amazon.com/Killed-Jingle-Unique...0708&sr=1-4 BTW, I am returning to Cape Town, to live there permanently sometime in the next two years Garth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Chicago was a big commercial jingle town up though the '80s. Jazz musicians with top-drawer reading skills were in high demand because they had the flexibility and inventiveness to make effective adjustments on the fly in fluid situations. It wasn't a commercial, but I think we've mentioned before how when in L.A. they were recording the theme song for the "Barney Miller Show" (a Dave Grusin thing?), and it just wasn't working, bassist Chuck Berghofer grasped what was missing and came up on the spot with the earthy solo-bass passage that made it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 "Barney Miller Theme": Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 It's also Berghofer who plays the inimitable descending bass figure on Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made For Walking" (it comes after Nancy sings the first verse): http://www.amazon.com/Boots-Nancy-Sinatra/...5055&sr=1-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 That's very interesting! I had no idea that there was even a possibility to make a living out of that... studio work of all kinds, yes, but that commercials were such a big field, I had no clue! Hi Ubu .. I used to make my (very good) living in the "ad biz" in the early 1960's (shades of the tv show "Mad Men")... Jingles were a major musical art form for a long period in the history of commercial radio ... for an interesting perspective see this: http://www.amazon.com/Killed-Jingle-Unique...0708&sr=1-4 BTW, I am returning to Cape Town, to live there permanently sometime in the next two years Garth. Good to see you here Garth! Just had to manually enter all my contacts to my new email programme (having just set up a new computer) and thought it's been a long time! Sent you an email! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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