Big Al Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Y'all are listing quite a lot of my favorite drummers...... ah well, diff'rent strokes I guess..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) Meg White and Phil Collins. Phil Collins was considered quite a facile drummer in his time. May not be your cup of tea, but listen to any Genesis album between 1973 and 1981. I have a feeling that Phil Collins gets it in the neck more for his popular success, celebrity status and (in the UK at least) threatening to leave the UK if Labour got elected at one point (being a Tory rock musician has never been wise!). I'm no expert on drummers but he seemed to do the job perfectly well back in the mid-70s Genesis highpoint. Bill Bruford goes out of his way to present him as a very decent bloke in his recent autobio. I've no grudge against drummers - just the chap in the recording studio who started turning them up in the late 70s, insisting they punch out a regular beat. Maybe the 'click track' should get the award for worst drummer. Edited October 29, 2009 by Bev Stapleton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Meg White and Phil Collins. Phil Collins was considered quite a facile drummer in his time. May not be your cup of tea, but listen to any Genesis album between 1973 and 1981. Or Brand X, or all the studio sessions he participated in. He was a great drummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Dennis was the babe magnet, so his drumming didn't matter. He also turned out to be BY FAR the group's best songwriter after Brian. And he was a hell of a singer. And Hal Blaine played drums on the vast majority of those records, so it doesn't matter. Up over and out. I'm talking about live Beach Boys, not the studio version. There's no comparison between the two. Not only did Hal Blaine and Jim Gordon play drums with them on a regular basis in the studio, but the band has also included at one time or another, among scores of others, Glen Campbell, Billy Hinsche from Dino, Desi & Billy, John Cowsill from the Cowsills and Daryl Dragon from the Captain & Tenille. Brian had so little faith in his cohorts ability to play his music the way he envisioned it that he hired studio musicians to put down instrumental tracks while the band was on the road. They added the vocals later, when they were available. Speaking of Clarks, I love the Dave Clark Five, but Dave Clark himself, while effective, was not very sound. Up over and out. Ah, that explains why the drumming on their studio songs sounds just fine. I remember getting a used Dave Clark Five album in Boston, just after college, and I was giving it a spin...suddenly my roommate came in and said, "Jesus, that drumming's a joke." Or some close approximation of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) Meg White and Phil Collins. Phil Collins was considered quite a facile drummer in his time. May not be your cup of tea, but listen to any Genesis album between 1973 and 1981. Or Brand X, or all the studio sessions he participated in. He was a great drummer. He sure was, I hated the big sell out though. He can't play any more. from Wiki" In an interview with the Daily Mirror on September 10, 2009, Collins revealed that he would no longer be able to play the drums due to a spinal injury. Edited October 30, 2009 by 7/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 DAVE JAMES, YOU HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. DENNIS WILSON BY NO MEANS IS WHAT YOU SAID HE WAS. WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? IS IT BEACUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE? DONT BRING PERSONAL LIFE INTO THE MUSIC. IM NOT SAYING I LOVED EVERY COURSE HE TOOK IN LIFE BUT WHAT U SAID IS DEPLORABLE. DENNIS WILSON WAS THE SOUL OF THE BB'S. BRIAN WAS THE BRAINS BUT DENNIS WAS THE SOUL. THERE WOULD BE NO BEACH BOYS AT ALL WITHOUT DENNIS, IT WAS HE WHO ASKED BRIAN TO WRITE A SONG ABOUT HIS SURFIN' ADVENTURE HE WENT ON THAT DAY, WHICH SPAWNED THEIR FIRST RECORD: "SURFIN'" (X-RECORDS) DENNIS IS ALSO THE BEACH BOY WHO MADE THE GREATEST BB-SOLO-LP: PACIFIC OCEAN BLUE, ONE OF THE GREATEST RECORDS OF ALL TIME AND FOR THE GUY OF GUYS WHO CRITIZED PHIL COLLINS, WORDS CAN NOT DESCRIBE HOW ILL-ADVISED YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ALL YOUR LIFE. I DONT SEE HOW ANY OF YOU CAN DIG THE ART BLAKEY SOUND IF YOU DONT DIG THE PHIL SOUND! PHIL PIONNERED HOW DRUMS ARE RECORDED IN THE STUDIO AND HOW THEY CAN "TAKE OVER" A SONG AND MAKE IT INTENSE THE SAME WAY THE LEAD GUITAR OR VOCAL USUALLY ONLY DOES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 That hack Collins and Blakey in the same breath? UH, OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOK, WHATEVER .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) FINE, prove it with one example from 1971-1990. yeah, thought so! Edited October 30, 2009 by chewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Chewy, "Surfin'" was on Candix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I would never hire Mo Tucker as a session drummer, but she often fit what the Velvets were doing and even if not it doesn't bug me. Now John Bonham, he bugs me. As do lots of other perfectly competent drummers, when they don't listen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Still not convinced Phil Collins is all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) I would never hire Mo Tucker as a session drummer, but she often fit what the Velvets were doing and even if not it doesn't bug me. Now John Bonham, he bugs me. As do lots of other perfectly competent drummers, when they don't listen... John Bonham? The prototypical heavy metal drummer? The straw that stirred the Zeppelin drink? Blasphemy! This cannot go unpunished! I sentence you to three hours of cool out time in the Mr. Turtle pool. Up over and out. Edited October 30, 2009 by Dave James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I can't think of too many bad rock drummers. Pretty much all of the well known ones, even Mo Tucker, we're good in their settings and served the sound of their bands well. I would say that my least favorite was Ginger Baker, because of his overlong, not-so-good solos. But as a timekeeper, and for decorating the sound of Jack and Eric, he was fine. Jazz drumming is much easier to find fault in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETman Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Still not convinced Phil Collins is all that. That's ok, I won't hold my breath! Your loss. I would never hire Mo Tucker as a session drummer, but she often fit what the Velvets were doing and even if not it doesn't bug me. Now John Bonham, he bugs me. As do lots of other perfectly competent drummers, when they don't listen... I'm afraid you're the one who's not listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Just out of interest, why is Phil Collins a 'bad' drummer? No axes to grind...I don't know enough about drumming and generally don't pay drums a great deal of conscious attention. Though I've always found the drumming on the instrumental passage towards the end of 'Supper's Ready' very engaging. Just curious. Is he a 'bad' drummer full stop. Or did he become 'bad' in the late 70s when he seemed to be part of that move to fill up space with loud, echoy, regular timekeeping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I think Phil Collins is a good drummer. In fact, some of his most creative, most subtle drumming comes from his work with the post-Peter Gabriel, 1980's "pop" version of Genesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 As a listener, there's nothing about his drumming that stands out as exemplary or outstanding to me. Its just average at best. Just my opinion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Chewy, "Surfin'" was on Candix. But also -originally, I believe - on X : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfin%27_%28song%29 Recorded at...are you ready for this? World Pacific Studios! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Now John Bonham, he bugs me. As do lots of other perfectly competent drummers, when they don't listen... Different strokes...but even if I didn't like John Bonham's style, I'd still use a phrase different from "perfectly competent" to describe him. He seemed to be much more than perfectly competent: John Bonham - Moby Dick (Royal Albert Hall, 1970) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I DONT SEE HOW ANY OF YOU CAN DIG THE ART BLAKEY SOUND IF YOU DONT DIG THE PHIL SOUND! Am I ignorant? I don't hear how they relate AT ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) DAVE JAMES, YOU HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. DENNIS WILSON BY NO MEANS IS WHAT YOU SAID HE WAS. WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? IS IT BEACUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE? DONT BRING PERSONAL LIFE INTO THE MUSIC. IM NOT SAYING I LOVED EVERY COURSE HE TOOK IN LIFE BUT WHAT U SAID IS DEPLORABLE. DENNIS WILSON WAS THE SOUL OF THE BB'S. BRIAN WAS THE BRAINS BUT DENNIS WAS THE SOUL. THERE WOULD BE NO BEACH BOYS AT ALL WITHOUT DENNIS, IT WAS HE WHO ASKED BRIAN TO WRITE A SONG ABOUT HIS SURFIN' ADVENTURE HE WENT ON THAT DAY, WHICH SPAWNED THEIR FIRST RECORD: "SURFIN'" (X-RECORDS) DENNIS IS ALSO THE BEACH BOY WHO MADE THE GREATEST BB-SOLO-LP: PACIFIC OCEAN BLUE, ONE OF THE GREATEST RECORDS OF ALL TIME Chewy, First of all, what was it I said he was? You know I'm a major fan of the Beach Boys and of Dennis Wilson. I've seen them live in all of their important iterations, including twice when Brian was still touring and one of their CD's is on rotation in my car as we speak. I love those guys. You're right about one thing, though, and that's that I don't think Dennis lived his life very intelligently. You could put his picture next to the definition of "hedonism" in the dictionary and you wouldn't be missing the mark. Nonetheless, for better or for worse, he lived his life doing pretty much what he wanted to do. How many of us can say that? Dennis was the "soul of the BB's"? On what basis? I'm of a mind that Brian was both the brains and the soul of the Beach Boys. Everyone else was just along for the ride. Would there been a band without Dennis? Most likely. Without Brian? Not a chance. I know there are a lot of fans of Pacific Ocean Blue in these parts, but I've never quite gotten it. I guess it's pleasant enough, and Dennis does have an effective voice, even if it's not great one. Honestly, I couldn't call the album anything more than OK. Lastly, your assertion that P.O.B. was "the greatest BB solo LP" is what Shakespeare calls "damning with feint praise." By that I mean, greatest BB solo LP compared to what? Up over and out. Edited October 31, 2009 by Dave James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 as i sit here w/ the feb. 2nd, 1984 issue of Rolling Stone on my lap, with the story: Dennis Wilson's final wave-- im looking at the recent picture of him and im thinking about what he means to the band, and dave james you have to understand the beach boys was not merely a vichiele (sic) for brians compositions. it was a -band-. all members were creative music parts that made it special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Jsngry: THANK YOU!!! marcello: Orgy and Rhythm vol. 1 --- "In The Air Tonight" . i rest my case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Never really "got" POB but am still curious and feel that there's something there. Nevertheless, for me it just sounds OK at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 dude i know what u need: you need the new recently released P.O.B reissue w/ a whole bonus disc of the unreleased BAMBU album whichi is the EVEN BETTER FOLLOWUP lp to P.O.B!!!!!!!!!!!! then go back and dig POB, but Bambu, the unreleased followup-- is AMAZING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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