Bol Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) I just saw an ECM ad about this in JazzTimes. I don't know when the release date is, but it should be a really interesting and lively disc. I read a NYT review of one of their gigs some time ago and I salivated then. Good thing there will be a recording. Edited January 12, 2010 by Bol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Great news! Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWayne Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I was at one of the 3 in 1 Trio shows last February at the Vanguard and thought that the combination (Chris Potter, Jason Moran, Paul Motian) was one of the very best shows that I attended last year. Any idea of a potential date for the ECM release? Too early to be posted on the website. LWayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 According to amazon it is scheduled to be released in March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Wow, if Moran is on the date - I'm totally there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Titled "Lost in a Dream". The tracklist looks like mostly Motian originals. 1. Mode VI 2. Casino 3. Lost In A Dream 4. Blue Midnight 5. Be Careful It's My Heart 6. Birdsong 7. Ten 8. Drum Music 9. Abacus 10. Cathedral Song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldB3 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 For a live recording this sounds great, Potter is very soulful on this and Moran shines (I prefer him as a sideman than on his own records). Tempo wise its what you would expect from a recent Motian ECM release but has a nice warm NY 50's noir feel. I dig it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Are most of the songs slow tempos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Are most of the songs slow tempos? Sal, yes, all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bol Posted March 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 I've just listened to a couple of tracks. Isn't Motian way under-miked? Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldB3 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 It didn't sound that way to me, maybe a bit less so than a studio recording but not that noticeable. I have the Sub on a little bit louder than normal to give it a little more room ambiance and low end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bol Posted March 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Well, I adjusted the bass volume, and that seems to make it better. I do wish though that Motian was somewhat more upfront. Also, I'm not sure about Potter. He is able enough, but not very interesting. I think Bill McHenry, another frequent Motian collaborator, would have been a much more interesting choice. Less brawn, but more surprises. I know: Complain, complain!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Are most of the songs slow tempos? Sal, yes, all of them. That's somewhat of an exaggeration - there are some fast tempos near the end, though about 2/3 is slow or slow-moderate tempo. It's a great album regardless. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Haven't listened it as a whole but the first half is a real sleeper.........not catching any fire. Must have been quite boring being in the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Quietly artful or just quietly dull? Did ECM select the sleepy tracks even though the gigs were supposedly lively? I am trying to support new jazz releases but don't want (yet another) dull dud, so further opinions appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Quietly artful or just quietly dull? Did ECM select the sleepy tracks even though the gigs were supposedly lively? I am trying to support new jazz releases but don't want (yet another) dull dud, so further opinions appreciated. Judging by other Motian gigs I've attended, I'm guessing ECM was intentionally selective in favor of the slower material at the beginning of the disc. "Drum Music" and "Ten" are fairly intense free jazz performances. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fkimbrough Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Quietly artful for sure. It's beautiful - "dull" is certainly not how I would describe this recording. I was there for the gig, and have the CD - Moran and Potter both play Motian's music beautifully, with restraint where called for, but some of the later tracks, like "Ten" and "Drum Music" are much more energetic. I don't know your taste, but I think it's one of Paul's best records, and would recommend it to anyone who appreciates Paul's music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 OK well thanks for those nudges. I do enjoy Paul Motian's playing and he it was who turned me on to jazz at a concert at Leeds University many moons ago (he was part of a quintet led by John Taylor, featuring Evan Parker.... ahhh, had I only realised....). I guess I will find it a bit sleepy (um, a 'sleeper' is something which gets ignored on issue but which people slowly realise is excellent). Somnifery aside, I guess I'll get over to amazon and give it a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 By all means do so David! I'll give it a close listen tonight to see if my view will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I saw this trio last night at the Vanguard, with Greg Osby subbing for Potter. I felt that Osby was somewhat superfluous except as a colorist, though Moran and Motian were terrific and really locked in. They played "Mode VI", "Lost in a Dream", "Ten", and "Drum Music" from the recent album as well as "Round Midnight", "The Sunflower", "Once Around the Park" and a few other tunes I didn't recognize. Much more uptempo than the album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy T. Frog Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I saw this trio last night at the Vanguard, with Greg Osby subbing for Potter. I felt that Osby was somewhat superfluous except as a colorist, though Moran and Motian were terrific and really locked in. They played "Mode VI", "Lost in a Dream", "Ten", and "Drum Music" from the recent album as well as "Round Midnight", "The Sunflower", "Once Around the Park" and a few other tunes I didn't recognize. Much more uptempo than the album. Moran and Mary Halvorson will be playing together at the "CareFusion" NY Jazz Fest. Too bad it is happening the weekend my sister is getting married in Minnesota! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 I like the slow stuff. As I said in another thread, it seems a bit sacrilegious to have a Paul Motian Trio that does not include Frisell and Lovano. That said, I am enjoying the disc. At times it strikes me that Potter sounds a lot like Jan Garbarek on first impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 At times it strikes me that Potter sounds a lot like Jan Garbarek on first impression. Yeah that occurred to me. But also Jason Moran uses a good deal of ECM phrasing and harmonies. Since I doubt that many musicians sit around copying licks off ECM records I wondered if Eicher had compiled a riff-book that he hands out at the sessions. That said (and I only listened to three tracks) I like Potter's super-trained playing. I know that a lot of folks prefer older-school self-trained styles, but I must say that turning to Potter after listening to a few sides of 70s/80s LPs in recent days I found myself strongly preferring Potter to some notionally biggger names. I did wonder how it was that drummer could write so many tunes that lacked a basic pulse, but then I remembered that if Motian is known for liberating the drums from time-keeping then he can hardly expect anybody else to keep it that snappy. As far as the recording goes, I find it wonderful. I'm not sure that Motian is under-recorded - I just think he's keeping it down. Hey, if I ever get past the first three tracks I'll post an even longer and wittier review. Ho ho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETman Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 All bias against ECM aside, what the hell is ECM phrasing? Do you really think Eicher pulled Motian aside and said "have your guys use ECM phrasing"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 All bias against ECM aside, what the hell is ECM phrasing? Do you really think Eicher pulled Motian aside and said "have your guys use ECM phrasing"? Yes. Oh wait, no. That must have been humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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