Posted 26 Feb 2010 Have just moved this thread over from recommendations since we are dealing with box sets CAM will be releasing (or may have already released) 4 box sets - Charlie Haden, Enrico Rava, Henry Threadgill and Enrico Pieranunzi Looks like we will have a plethora of Threadgill/Air material (Black Saint & Mosaic sets) in the near future - looking forward to that Regarding the recent BS/SN boxed sets, below is a reply I just received from CAM Dear Stephen, thank you for you email. Concerning the Box Set collection, including albums by some of the artist who partecipated in the success of Soul Note & Black Saint (Charlie Haden, Enrico Rava, Henry Threadgill and Enrico Pieranunzi) ,will be in Exclusive Distribution of HARMONIA MUNDI IINTRANTIONAL. For information: info.arles@harmoniamundi.com Best Regards Simone C.A.M. S.r.l. (Mr.) Simone Vendittelli (Export Department) THE COMPLETEREMASTERED RECORDINGS ON BLACK SAINT & SOUL NOTE 1. CHARLIE HADEN 5 CD SET BXS 1001 OLD AND NEW DREAMS A TRIBUTE TO BLACKWELL ETUDES SILENCE FIRST SONG 2. ENRICO RAVA 5 CD SET BXS 1002 IL GIRO DEL GIORNO IN 80 MONDI ANDANADA RAVA STRING BAND SECRETS ELECTRIC FIVE 3. THREADGILL 7 CD SET BXS 1003 LIVE AIR AIR MAIL LIVE AT MONTREAL INTERNATIONAL JAZZ FESTIVAL AIR SHOW NO. 1 SPIRIT OF NUFF...NUFF SONG OUT OF MY TREES FLUTISTRY 4. ENRICO PIERANUNZI 6 CD SET BXS 1004 ISIS DEEP DOWN NO MAN’S LAND FLUX AND CHANGE SEAWARD MA L’AMORE NO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Feb 2010 Threadgill is cool! Will be looking for it! The Haden is weird... mostly sideman or collectively led stuff, no? A bit of a hodge-podge! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Feb 2010 do you have a website or link? I tried and couldn't find anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Feb 2010 This is the website of CAM Jazz, the current owner of the Black Saint/Soul Note catalogues: http://www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/site/index.php?site=&path=home There's nothing about the boxes there yet, though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Feb 2010 I'm really surprised at this. I can understand record companies still pitching 'boutique' sets of Miles Davis, given his cache beyond jazz. But this music is insider stuff. It's available as CD and as download. Surely it would make sense to just get some good quality discographical information/notes together and have it available for download? I'd have thought all this fancy packaging was a thing of the pre-download age. Good lord, even the reactionaries on the Gramophone hi-fi pages are backing away from their anti-download stance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 26 Feb 2010 I'm really surprised at this. I can understand record companies still pitching 'boutique' sets of Miles Davis, given his cache beyond jazz. But this music is insider stuff. It's available as CD and as download. Surely it would make sense to just get some good quality discographical information/notes together and have it available for download? I'd have thought all this fancy packaging was a thing of the pre-download age. Good lord, even the reactionaries on the Gramophone hi-fi pages are backing away from their anti-download stance. Maybe the idea is to stimulate demand by selling the box sets at budget prices? (The supposed reasoning being, sure, nobody's buying individual discs at $16.98 these days, but maybe you'll buy a 7-disc set for under $40, netting the label money they wouldn't have made otherwise.) One can only hope... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 22 Mar 2010 Jazzloft is advertising these as available threadgill Any thoughts on these Threadgill titles? Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 22 Mar 2010 Jazzloft advertised these today in their regular email blast. The 7-disc sets are $60, the 6-disc ones are $55, and the 5-disc ones are $50. Not quite the deal I was hoping for, but still significantly cheaper than the typical BS/SN prices of at least $15 a disc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 22 Mar 2010 Hey I'll take it.. esp. since I only had one of the Haden... Jazzloft advertised these today in their regular email blast. The 7-disc sets are $60, the 6-disc ones are $55, and the 5-disc ones are $50. Not quite the deal I was hoping for, but still significantly cheaper than the typical BS/SN prices of at least $15 a disc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 22 Mar 2010 Anybody getting the Pieranunzi??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 22 Mar 2010 Anybody getting the Pieranunzi??? How is his work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 22 Mar 2010 On the Haden, I'd not put this up against the ECM Old and New Dreams, and I see that band as a more polite version of the Ornette Coleman quartet. The non-O&ND is Ok-ish. On the Threadgill, I do like Air but don't know how much you need and find these a little undercharged, while the Nuff-Nuff group is OK and the other stuff I find dry. The other sets I dunno. My 0.02 but much of the BS/SN material has gone cold on me after a period of eager accumulation. Not so great sonically unless they have gone in for remastering (um, and there's the usual Catch 22 right there...). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 On the Threadgill, I do like Air but don't know how much you need and find these a little undercharged, while the Nuff-Nuff group is OK and the other stuff I find dry. The other sets I dunno. My 0.02 but much of the BS/SN material has gone cold on me after a period of eager accumulation. Not so great sonically unless they have gone in for remastering (um, and there's the usual Catch 22 right there...). According to Jazzloft they are remastered. I sprung for the Threadgill as I have only one title of the 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 The Threadgill stuff is more than fine, imo. And at < $9.00 per CD and remastered (hopefully well), it's a helluva deal. This and the upcoming Mosiac make it possible to, in two fell swoops, to learn and/or "catch up" with one of the major-yet-relatively-unheralded "jazz" figures of our time. Of course, that's just my opinion, and if anybody disagrees, well then, go right on ahead, you have the right. To be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 The box sets have just gone up for sale on the Black Saint site (www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/site/index.php?site=&path=home) They are selling for 27.96 euros or 38.83US $'s (all sets the same price) - what a great deal!! (just over $5.50 for each Threadgill disc) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 The box sets have just gone up for sale on the Black Saint site (www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/site/index.php?site=&path=home) They are selling for 27.96 euros or 38.83US $'s (all sets the same price) - what a great deal!! (just over $5.50 for each Threadgill disc) And they ship to the US, so at current exchange rates + ~$5 for shipping, that comes out to under $45 per set. Now that's more like it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 (edited) I just nabbed the Threadgill and Rava sets from the CAM jazz website for $84 US dollars shipped. A much better deal than the jazzloft. We'll see how the whole shipping thing from Italy works out. Edited 23 Mar 2010 by greggery peccary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 They're pretty reliable -- I've ordered from them before, with no issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 Have ordered three times from CAM Jazz over the past year - no shipping problems (to Australia) & well packaged Actually, there were no shipping charges until recently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 Cheapest here: http://www.amazon.fr/Compilation-Enrico-Rava/dp/B003627ON0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1269351814&sr=1-2 All are the same price, but not available until 4/9/10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 (edited) I let the impulse control me. I ordered the Threadgill set from Camjazz Edited 23 Mar 2010 by relyles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 Just wanted to let everyone know that we got in our first shipment of Black Saint/Soul Note boxed sets. You can find them at The Jazz Loft. Thanks! Alan THE COMPLETEREMASTERED RECORDINGS ON BLACK SAINT & SOUL NOTE 1. CHARLIE HADEN 5 CD SET BXS 1001 OLD AND NEW DREAMS A TRIBUTE TO BLACKWELL ETUDES SILENCE FIRST SONG 2. ENRICO RAVA 5 CD SET BXS 1002 IL GIRO DEL GIORNO IN 80 MONDI ANDANADA RAVA STRING BAND SECRETS ELECTRIC FIVE 3. THREADGILL 7 CD SET BXS 1003 LIVE AIR AIR MAIL LIVE AT MONTREAL INTERNATIONAL JAZZ FESTIVAL AIR SHOW NO. 1 SPIRIT OF NUFF...NUFF SONG OUT OF MY TREES FLUTISTRY 4. ENRICO PIERANUNZI 6 CD SET BXS 1004 ISIS DEEP DOWN NO MAN’S LAND FLUX AND CHANGE SEAWARD MA L’AMORE NO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 On the Haden, I'd not put this up against the ECM Old and New Dreams, and I see that band as a more polite version of the Ornette Coleman quartet. The non-O&ND is Ok-ish. On the Threadgill, I do like Air but don't know how much you need and find these a little undercharged, while the Nuff-Nuff group is OK and the other stuff I find dry. The other sets I dunno. My 0.02 but much of the BS/SN material has gone cold on me after a period of eager accumulation. Not so great sonically unless they have gone in for remastering (um, and there's the usual Catch 22 right there...). I'll disagree with David on Etudes - it's a great set with Haden, Geri Allen and Paul Motian. There's a superb version of "Lonely Woman" on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 Anybody getting the Pieranunzi??? How is his work? I like Pieranunzi but don't know this era other than on the Haden. I've seen him live a couple of times and greatly enjoyed. Like the recent sets on Cam Jazz (esp Live in Japan) anyone know any of these? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 23 Mar 2010 That's very good to know.. I just cancelled my jazzloft order and will order through CAM jazz... thanks for the info! I just nabbed the Threadgill and Rava sets from the CAM jazz website for $84 US dollars shipped. A much better deal than the jazzloft. We'll see how the whole shipping thing from Italy works out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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