epistrophy007 Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Alice Coltrane was once married to bebopsinger Kenny Hagood (think oop-pop-a-da with Gillespie, Darn that Dream with Davis et al.) Does someone know if they have played together or perhaps even made record or so?!? Somehow I can't imagine them together...(musically speaking) Their daughter is Mikki Coltrane. Does somehow have more information about Hagood? Can imagine that most people think of his singin' as an acquired taste but I like his big throaty voice and sometimes quite dramatic way of balladeering... Thank you! j. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I didn´t know Alice Coltrane was married to Kenny Hagood. Though I got quite a few recorded items where he sings, I don´t know nothing about his live. He worked quite much at the Royal Roost in the late 40´s and his ballad features with bop greats like Tadd Dameron, Dizzy, Bird are well known. also with Miles on Birth of Cool, and with Monk on Blue Note. I got the film "Jivin´in Bebop" with Dizzy and you got Kenny Hagood singing "I´m Waiting For You" to a nice young lady who just looks at him. Maybe she´s young Alice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Alice McLeod and Kenny Hagood met in Paris and married there in 1960. The marriage did not last long. While in Paris, Hagood recorded only one album (he appeared on a couple of tunes on a Guy Lafitte French Columbia ten-incher). In her book 'My Life in E-flat' Chan Parker mention Alice and Hagood appearing and sitting in together at a Paris farewell party thrown in when the Quincy Jones orchestra returned to the States (in 1960) after their sojourn in Europe. The thought of Chan Parker and Alice Coltrane together at a party gives me the chill There was a previous thread on Kenny Hagood here (or at the BNBB?) that was initiated by mmilovan but I could not locate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) It's a well known fact the early boppers loved glamorous or big voices: Billy Eckstine, Kenny Hagood, Earl Coleman, Johnny Hartman ... I like 'em, I have to admit. Haggod was good and could scat - there are some Gillespie live tracks with Pancho and Dizzy trading fours. And I think he fits very well on those Miles and Monk 78's. I have that Jivin' movie somewhere ... Edited April 5, 2010 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 In her book 'My Life in E-flat' Chan Parker mention Alice and Hagood appearing and sitting in together at a Paris farewell party thrown in when the Quincy Jones orchestra returned to the States (in 1960) after their sojourn in Europe. The thought of Chan Parker and Alice Coltrane together at a party gives me the chill Wow - me too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epistrophy007 Posted April 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Hagood with Lafitte is new to me What's the title of that one????? Wishfullthinker as I am but maybe there exist some radiobraodcast of those Parisdays.... Don't know I just have some thing with those "discovered" radiobroadcastcd's... Thank's for the reply's and the new info (mmmm Chan Parker and Alice Coltrane at Quincy Jones's place!!!) j. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 If Chan had not latched on to Charlie and opportunistically borrowed his name (They were never really married on paper) and Alice had not married John, I don't think we would be spending a pixel on either one of them. Apropos shameless exploiters, whatever became of Kim "Parker"? Come to think of it, if Chan had kept her self-serving needs to herself, Eastwood might haved consulted someone else (Doris, for example) and made a more representative movie—hey, it might have been about a great performer rather than a drug addict. On second thought, I guess that's too far-fetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) interesting to thing of Alice and Chan's lives crossing - but not as interesting as the confluence of James Joyce and Lenin in Zurich (maybe 1918?) - Edited April 10, 2010 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Last time I saw Kim we were drinking beer on the tailgate of a pickup at Blue Lake. I liked her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 wait, Chris - I like Alice Coltrane's stuff. I take it you don't. Interesting about Chan vs Doris. Don Shlitten told me he thought Chan deserved the honor because she bore Bird's children - Tommy Potter, on the other hand, and his wife both loved Doris and told me she was the one they always regarded as Bird's wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 For a minute I thought you said Tommy Potter was one of their children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 well, we're ALL Bird's children - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Hagood with Lafitte is new to me What's the title of that one????? Wishfullthinker as I am but maybe there exist some radiobraodcast of those Parisdays.... Don't know I just have some thing with those "discovered" radiobroadcastcd's... Thank's for the reply's and the new info (mmmm Chan Parker and Alice Coltrane at Quincy Jones's place!!!) j. It's a ten-incher 'Guy Lafitte et son Quartette avec Kenny Hagood', a 1960 session on French Columbia. Hagood sings on three of the six titles. Looks like it's never been reissued! Don't think there is any other trace of Hagood's Parisdays. The INA.fr site does not have anything on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValerieB Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 (edited) wait, Chris - I like Alice Coltrane's stuff. I take it you don't. Interesting about Chan vs Doris. Don Shlitten told me he thought Chan deserved the honor because she bore Bird's children - Tommy Potter, on the other hand, and his wife both loved Doris and told me she was the one they always regarded as Bird's wife. so who was Bird ever legally married to?!? Edited April 11, 2010 by ValerieB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epistrophy007 Posted April 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 (edited) wait, Chris - I like Alice Coltrane's stuff. I take it you don't. Interesting about Chan vs Doris. Don Shlitten told me he thought Chan deserved the honor because she bore Bird's children - Tommy Potter, on the other hand, and his wife both loved Doris and told me she was the one they always regarded as Bird's wife. so who was Bird ever legally married to?!? At the time he was with Chan? Doris Snyder though after a year the marriage was over. Think that his first marriage was the most 'durable' j. Edited April 12, 2010 by epistrophy007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jostber Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Alice was a cool bird: How is the E-flat book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Alice was a cool bird: In a way, I agree—her playing always left me cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilda Hagood Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I once was married to "Pancho" he & Alice were from Detroit,Mich where they worked regular gigs together, he took her to Paris where the two of them lived with Bud Powell and study under the legendary piano genius "Pancho" was also an accomplish pianist working many piano bars through Los Angeles, Chicago and Detroit in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilda Hagood Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) I didn´t know Alice Coltrane was married to Kenny Hagood. Though I got quite a few recorded items where he sings, I don´t know nothing about his live. He worked quite much at the Royal Roost in the late 40´s and his ballad features with bop greats like Tadd Dameron, Dizzy, Bird are well known. also with Miles on Birth of Cool, and with Monk on Blue Note. I got the film "Jivin´in Bebop" with Dizzy and you got Kenny Hagood singing "I´m Waiting For You" to a nice young lady who just looks at him. Maybe she´s young Alice? I didn´t know Alice Coltrane was married to Kenny Hagood. Though I got quite a few recorded items where he sings, I don´t know nothing about his live. He worked quite much at the Royal Roost in the late 40´s and his ballad features with bop greats like Tadd Dameron, Dizzy, Bird are well known. also with Miles on Birth of Cool, and with Monk on Blue Note. I got the film "Jivin´in Bebop" with Dizzy and you got Kenny Hagood singing "I´m Waiting For You" to a nice young lady who just looks at him. Maybe she´s young Alice?No!!! That is not Alice!! Edited June 19, 2013 by Gilda Hagood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) interesting to thing of Alice and Chan's lives crossing - but not as interesting as the confluence of James Joyce and Lenin in Zurich (maybe 1918?) - You forgot about Lenin and the dadaist movement ... that one's actually real (well, maybe ... Hugo Ball writes about the balalaika orchestra playing at Cabaret Voltaire and some weird Russian-looking chap visiting). Edited June 19, 2013 by king ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 interesting to thing of Alice and Chan's lives crossing - but not as interesting as the confluence of James Joyce and Lenin in Zurich (maybe 1918?) - You forgot about Lenin and the dadaist movement ... that one's actually real (well, maybe ... Hugo Ball writes about the balalaika orchestra playing at Cabaret Voltaire and some weird Russian-looking chap visiting).Tom Stoppard wrote a great play, "Travesties", about Joyce, Lenin and Tristan Tsara (sp?) all being in Zurich at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Welcome to the board, Gilda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesJazz Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Pancho worked around Detroit in the early 80's, sharp dresser, nice guy, smooth singer bona fide Hipster. He struggled with some demons. There is a session featurinig Pancho with David Swain's orchestra. They played some of the classic Diz/Miles numbers. Edited June 28, 2013 by JamesJazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 interesting to thing of Alice and Chan's lives crossing - but not as interesting as the confluence of James Joyce and Lenin in Zurich (maybe 1918?) - You forgot about Lenin and the dadaist movement ... that one's actually real (well, maybe ... Hugo Ball writes about the balalaika orchestra playing at Cabaret Voltaire and some weird Russian-looking chap visiting). Tom Stoppard wrote a great play, "Travesties", about Joyce, Lenin and Tristan Tsara (sp?) all being in Zurich at the same time. Got to look for that, thanks! (The spelling is Tzara, btw ... bag of hot air mostly, but fun hot air for sure!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Perhaps so. But just saying his name sounds interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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