chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 ok ok ok , my 1st BN album ever. i orig had the mcmaster cd, now, is that real stereo, or is that mcmaster in mono. i know, its not the electronically rechanneled for liberty, on cd, is it? so i guess the original 1st press is mono only, with no true stereo tape made? (too early?) what i got today is the liberty electronically rechanneled one. its not one you see much. both original and even liberty issue- so instead of waiting another 4 yrs or paying 427.98 for it, i got the elec. rechanneled liberty, which i am now listening to w/ the mono switch on. the horn solos are panned pretty hard, so the mono button is doing the trick, even though i think philly joe becomes slightly quieter. anyways i love this lp, my 1st introduction to blue note records and hank mobley and interesting reid miles covers and the whole dealwait wait i had a 1st pressing lp of no room for squares before that but i remmber when i fonud this used cd it started me into actual blue note collecting, n stuf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 I bought the Blue Note/Liberty stereo in Canada in 1973 (or was it '75? - I went there twice). It still has the cellophane outer layer on it and a $5.99 sticker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 It still has the cellophane outer layer on it and a $5.99 sticker! Sam The Record Man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 It still has the cellophane outer layer on it and a $5.99 sticker! Sam The Record Man? Opus 69 (Calgary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 ok ok ok , my 1st BN album ever. i orig had the mcmaster cd, now, is that real stereo, or is that mcmaster in mono. i know, its not the electronically rechanneled for liberty, on cd, is it? so i guess the original 1st press is mono only, with no true stereo tape made? (too early?) what i got today is the liberty electronically rechanneled one. its not one you see much. both original and even liberty issue- so instead of waiting another 4 yrs or paying 427.98 for it, i got the elec. rechanneled liberty, which i am now listening to w/ the mono switch on. the horn solos are panned pretty hard, so the mono button is doing the trick, even though i think philly joe becomes slightly quieter. anyways i love this lp, my 1st introduction to blue note records and hank mobley and interesting reid miles covers and the whole deal wait wait i had a 1st pressing lp of no room for squares before that but i remmber when i fonud this used cd it started me into actual blue note collecting, n stuf Listen more carefully. The record is true stereo. When Liberty issued stereo versions of titles from the Blue Note catalog that had previously only been vaialable in mono, they erroneously labelled many of them as "rechanneled" when they were in fact true stereo. A good rule of thumb - anything above 1562 is recorded in true stereo, and plays stereo regardless of the information on the jacket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall15 Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 I have the Blue Note RVG CD of "Whistle Stop". It is definitely in true stereo. Also it is a great session, whether in stereo or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Opus 69 (Calgary) Aha - Know Calgary well but not that store. Must have closed years ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Opus 69 (Calgary) Aha - Know Calgary well but not that store. Must have closed years ago.. Might have been inside Calgary University. I bought two albums during my visit, one from the university shop, though if my memory serves me correctly, that was The Bill Evans Album. Very typical of the era, with semi-psychedelic cover and Evans on electric piano part of the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 ok ok ok , my 1st BN album ever. i orig had the mcmaster cd, now, is that real stereo, or is that mcmaster in mono. i know, its not the electronically rechanneled for liberty, on cd, is it? so i guess the original 1st press is mono only, with no true stereo tape made? (too early?) what i got today is the liberty electronically rechanneled one. its not one you see much. both original and even liberty issue- so instead of waiting another 4 yrs or paying 427.98 for it, i got the elec. rechanneled liberty, which i am now listening to w/ the mono switch on. the horn solos are panned pretty hard, so the mono button is doing the trick, even though i think philly joe becomes slightly quieter. anyways i love this lp, my 1st introduction to blue note records and hank mobley and interesting reid miles covers and the whole deal wait wait i had a 1st pressing lp of no room for squares before that but i remmber when i fonud this used cd it started me into actual blue note collecting, n stuf Listen more carefully. The record is true stereo. When Liberty issued stereo versions of titles from the Blue Note catalog that had previously only been vaialable in mono, they erroneously labelled many of them as "rechanneled" when they were in fact true stereo. A good rule of thumb - anything above 1562 is recorded in true stereo, and plays stereo regardless of the information on the jacket. That is very useful information. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 That hard-panning was not untypical either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 i have anotehr during fadeouts on blue note tracks, did rvg do those live in realtuime, or are those done later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Both. Depended on the track/arrangement/Alfred. As usual on dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 ah i see- every date was different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Both. Depended on the track/arrangement/Alfred. As usual on dates. I find it very difficult to believe that in the tape era complete performances weren't always recorded and board fades were executed during the mastering. The only situation I can imagine is a really good take getting butchered at the end and Alfred ordering a fade during the take. Or maybe union rules resulting in a time crunch necessitating incomplete takes. Or were there many instances where no one could come up with an ending for a tune so they decided it would be faded out? I know since he is one of the Five Wise Men I should defer to Chuck but I would bet dollars to donuts that at least 9 out of 10 fades were done during mastering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I've attended sessions where fades were pre-arranged by the musicians. Willis Jackson's Single Action was one you must know. Some artists don't want to be bothered with writing endings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I've attended sessions where fades were pre-arranged by the musicians. Willis Jackson's Single Action was one you must know. Some artists don't want to be bothered with writing endings. thats is interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyhill Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 I have been listening to the RVG of Whistle Stop. At about 1:48 of "Sunrise in Mexico" there is a weird moment where it seems like the phase changes or that the levels for the rhythm section changes; it's subtle, but noticeable when you are listening closely. Years ago, someone burned the 90s McMaster of this album for me. That moment is not present on that version from my listening. Is what I am hearing a defect in my disc (or batch of discs), something inherent in the tapes, an issue brought about during the RVG remaster, or something else? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xybert Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Someone might get to it before me but i'll have a listen to my copy when i get home in about 8 hours time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Just played the Conn, and the only thing I can even possibly think about hearing there is a really good splice, but...if that's what it is, it's a damn good splice. Otherwise, I hear nothing unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyhill Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Thanks JSngry, but the version where I hear the issue is the RVG not the Conn. I have a recording of the Conn. and do not hear the issue on the Conn. that I hear on the RVG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Right, I was listening to what I had in hopes of spotting something "underlying" that the RVG might have amplified, not created. No such luck, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xybert Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Yup, it's audible on my RVG too. Not sure what caused it but it's like the level drops or someone/something suddenly EQed out the low frequencies or something. It's also audible on this youtube upload: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDcj0JibZRY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyhill Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Thanks Xybert. Since the issue is not present on the 1994 Conn., I wonder if it is indicative of a) a manufacturing defect or b) damage to the master tapes between the issuance of the1994 Conn. and the issuance of the RVG in 1999. Is Whistle Stop scheduled to be issued as an SHM in Japan? It would be interesting to determine whether this is a source issue or quality control issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Sounds like they pulled the piano sound back and took a bunch of other stuff with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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