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Ellington Treasury Shows

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On 5/20/2018 at 7:51 AM, king ubu said:

The problem is: early volumes are CD-Rs by now (and obviously/crookedly not sold as such) by now ... else I'd have them all, but as it is, that's depressing, I didn't have the funds or enough interest in Ducal sounds whe the series started ... I think I'm up to Vol. 22 with the recent ones and will definitely get the following volunes but am not yet sure what to do about the missing earlier ones ...

Watch out for importCDs, as they've sold CDrs as CDs a few times. I think this happened through their Amazon page rather than their own website. That is false advertising.

 

Watch out for importCDs, as there are times they don't label their CDrs as such. I can't remember if it happens on their Amazon page or 

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1 minute ago, Ken Dryden said:

Watch out for importCDs, as there are times they don't label their CDrs as such. I can't remember if it happens on their Amazon page or 

I stopped buying "new" CDs of older releases from such vendors alltogether, because of that (stuff like OJCCDs - will be CDRs most likely).

I just wish labels selling CDRs for lack of means to re-press CDs would openly communicate that. In one case I even reached out to a label (a small one run by a classical music ensemble) and they flat-out denied that they're selling CDRs. That was about the weirdest thing. Others (Chiaroscuro, VAI) will openly discuss/admit/explain - but the usual vendors will still label their stuff as "audio CD", and obviously no one seems to care.

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Maybe the assumption of these companies is that purchasers will do a one off load of the material into a NAS drive or such like and then stream it, ditching the CD. If so - that sucks.

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Yup, possibly ... and I guess true for many, but not for yours truly :)

Got Vol. 15 and it's a proper CD.

Still waiting for some lower volumes that I expect to be all CD-R: Vol. 3-4, 7-9, 11 - I've got Vol. 5 for real, I think thanks to @brownie, and already got that darn CD-R of Vol. 6, Vols. 12-18 are all here, hopefully none of the later ones will be CD-R ... of those I'm missing Vols. 19, 20, 23-25. So far the line runs somewhere between Vol. 6 and Vol. 15, Vol. 11 is the one I'm curious about.

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Other thing: where has the used CD online market gone? (Most likely answer: Amazon killed it with their exalted fees and stopid "service" and shipping restrictions and all that ...)

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Everything I've led is that a CDR does not have the life expectancy of a manufactured CD, which is why I avoid them.

Discogs.com is a better alternative than Amazon, for both buying and selling. Amazon (like half.com after the clowns of ebay bought that site) ruined their site for individual sellers with stupid restrictions (like calling all sawcut product promos, when they are frequently closeouts to prevent retails from returning product for full refunds), insane fees for sellers, plus inflated shipping rates of a flate fee per disc (even when buying several items from the same seller) or lowballing the seller in the case of larger boxed sets. The last straw was Amazon's asking of sellers what their sources of new products were. That was hard to answer, as I've bought duplicates in error, gotten gifts of items I already owned, or occasionally found factory sealed CDs at low prices locally that I thought would resell online at a beter price.

On Discogs, there are a lot of options, including allowing a buyer to make an offer, matching up with the exact version of the item you want to sell or buy, customized shipping rates, etc. The few disappointments I've had with quality of some items purchased have all been settled with no hassle.

Edited by Ken Dryden

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On 23/12/2003 at 6:59 AM, brownie said:

These are essential Ellingtons. I had the DETS series when it was released on LPs.

Getting the Storyville double CDs now. They include some additional material. This was one of the great Ducal band and what they did offer on those broadcasts is pure joy!

Just got volume 8. This will be my Christmas music.

Agree with Lon, the sound is excellent!

On 23/12/2003 at 6:59 AM, brownie said:

These are essential Ellingtons. I had the DETS series when it was released on LPs.

Getting the Storyville double CDs now. They include some additional material. This was one of the great Ducal band and what they did offer on those broadcasts is pure joy!

Just got volume 8. This will be my Christmas music.

Agree with Lon, the sound is excellent!

Just received volume 25. It completes my  CD series.

Hard to grasp there is no more coming....

Wish there will be more material made available like the broadcasts that fill disc 2 of that final  volume.

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I actually scored real CDs of several of the lower numbers, too (and I haven't forgot your help with several of these @brownie:tup :tup :tup) - but about four or five I've not (yet) attempted to find real ones (via Discogs would indeed be the best chance, I guess ... but then you'd have to rely on vendors being honest and knowledgeable enough).

Two of the ones I've got are really weird, they look like a mix of CD and CD-R - the colour is less bluish/greenish than with the clearly-CD-R ones, and on the inner ring, there is the usual black serial number (CD-R), but then there is also printed stuff like the catalogue number (which would indicate CD) - I wonder if CD-R printers have become so good that they can reproduce all of that stuff (label, catalogue numbers etc.) by now?

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