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Big Update on Mosaic Site - Lunceford, Rivers, Tolliver Big Band

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Just got an email back from Mosaic and the remastering for the upcoming sets will be....drumroll.... :excited:

THEY WILL BE....

Sam Rivers--Jon Horwich

Charles Tolliver--Malcolm Addey

MJQ--Ron McMaster

Lunceford--Andreas Meyer

I was thinking Andreas Meyer might be doing the Lunceford set, since he's done the Shaw and the Armstrong. Hopefully it turns out great!

There it is!

Are you sure Ron McMaster will do the MJQ set? Seems strange to me, because it's Atlantic material and as an EMI/Blue Note engineer he's usually not mastering non-EMI/Blue Note material.

It may seem strange, but it is what it is. I was just trying to provide accurate information that people may want to know. That is all. :)

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I love this sentence describing the Lunceford: This will be the first time all of these Decca sessions are to be gathered together for the first time.

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Not to get stuck in negativity, I'm looking forward to the release of the Lunceford box. That's the kind of thing that Mosaic does better than anyone else.

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I bought Aurora a couple weeks ago and I'm listening to it for the forst time now- EXCELLENT!!! Swings like mad, with the bass & drums in a great groove, but the horns getting a bit 'out' here and there. Three more discs of these guys, I'm in on the preorder without a doubt.

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Thanks for the update. I'm excited about the Lunceford box, too!

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So excited about the Lunceford Box. The fact that they've had access to such pure sources is particularly exciting. The purchase of this set is a no-brainer.

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From a jazz blog you can search for, here's the line-up (according to a post dated 31-Aug-2009), and track-listing of the previously unissued Tolliver material.

Off the top of my head, I believe most of these are Tolliver compositions, the only two I'm not sure of are "Linsome" and "Rejoicing".

Can't find anything at all on-line about any tune named "Linsome". I wonder if "Rejoicing" is possibly the Ornette tune? (I'm guessing probably not.)

NDR Big Band feat. Charles Tolliver

Hamburg (Germany), Funkhaus des NDR

February 1979

Charles Tolliver - trumpet, arranger

NDR Big Band, incl:

Benny Bailey - trumpet, flugelhorn

Herb Geller - alto sax, flute

Wolfgang Schlüter - vibes

Wolfgang Dauner - piano

Lukas Lindholm - bass

Alvin Queen - drums

1. Impact (8:10)

2. Grand Max (6:15)

3. Linsome (7:13)

4. Rejoicing (7:44)

5. Ruthie's Heart (8:44)

6. Mother Wind (7:12)

7. Plight (5:30)

TT: 50:51

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The Tolliver of course caugth me off guard... the Lunceford is terrific news (though I must have all or most the music on Masters of Jazz... will definitely want a Mosaic booklet there! Call me crazy!).

The Rivers also sounds interesting, though I don't quite know yet what my take on his big band music is... the RCAs take a while to "get" and I'm not sure I'm there just yet. Guess I ought to check out that disc "Aurora" as well, huh?

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Wonder if there will be any new material in the Lunceford set.

I have had the Decca sides for decades and am happy with the Masters of Jazz CDs.

Wonderful stuff.

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I've only heard some of the Lunceford on a LP Harlem Express 1934-1936 (Coral)- transfers very muddy but music excellent. I guess this set and Getz LP set will be top of my list.

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Isn't track 6 called 'Mother Wit'?

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From a jazz blog you can search for, here's the line-up (according to a post dated 31-Aug-2009), and track-listing of the previously unissued Tolliver material.

Off the top of my head, I believe most of these are Tolliver compositions, the only two I'm not sure of are "Linsome" and "Rejoicing".

Can't find anything at all on-line about any tune named "Linsome". I wonder if "Rejoicing" is possibly the Ornette tune? (I'm guessing probably not.)

NDR Big Band feat. Charles Tolliver

Hamburg (Germany), Funkhaus des NDR

February 1979

Charles Tolliver - trumpet, arranger

NDR Big Band, incl:

Benny Bailey - trumpet, flugelhorn

Herb Geller - alto sax, flute

Wolfgang Schlüter - vibes

Wolfgang Dauner - piano

Lukas Lindholm - bass

Alvin Queen - drums

1. Impact (8:10)

2. Grand Max (6:15)

3. Linsome (7:13)

4. Rejoicing (7:44)

5. Ruthie's Heart (8:44)

6. Mother Wind (7:12)

7. Plight (5:30)

TT: 50:51

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Can't find anything at all on-line about any tune named "Linsome".

= Lynnsome

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Ah yes, Mother Wit and Lynnsome. Didn't recognize the titles, and I should have scanned an alpha-sorted list of his tunes in case they were misspelled versions.

I didn't realize Tolliver had a leader-dates entry HERE, and the 1979 date is even listed (as a radio-broadcast, with the correct spellings too), just scroll down for it.

There's also a Rejoicin' on the 2006 big-band studio date that Mosaic issued, listed as a Tolliver original.

That answers all my questions about the '79 date, it would seem.

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That answers all my questions about the '79 date, it would seem.

then i ask one: did i get this right, that the mentioned players are only part of the (big band) line-up?

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Looking forward to these, though admittedly I would have looked more forward to a big box of Sam Rivers trios.

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then i ask one: did i get this right, that the mentioned players are only part of the (big band) line-up?

Yes, the NDR Big Band, which is fairly large (at least on the recordings I've seen and heard). At least bigger than a 10-tet, I would think.

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Looking forward to these, though admittedly I would have looked more forward to a big box of Sam Rivers trios.

Who says there won't be one? That's what we thought we were hearing before. There's a lot of the trio stuff floating around on blogs, as we previously noted, and it's fair to say that it is all much of a muchness. So it may be that project was abandoned in favor of this - or it may just be that we misinterpreted the whispers. In any case I find I am pretty much seventied out these days...

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Just got an email back from Mosaic and the remastering for the upcoming sets will be....drumroll.... :excited:

THEY WILL BE....

Sam Rivers--Jon Horwich

Charles Tolliver--Malcolm Addey

MJQ--Ron McMaster

Lunceford--Andreas Meyer

I was thinking Andreas Meyer might be doing the Lunceford set, since he's done the Shaw and the Armstrong. Hopefully it turns out great!

There it is!

Are you sure Ron McMaster will do the MJQ set? Seems strange to me, because it's Atlantic material and as an EMI/Blue Note engineer he's usually not mastering non-EMI/Blue Note material.

It may seem strange, but it is what it is. I was just trying to provide accurate information that people may want to know. That is all. :)

Michael Cuscuna has confirmed that the MJQ set will indeed be mastered by Ron McMaster.

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To add to this: the tapes (owned by WEA) are also stored in California and they've used the Capitol facilities more in the past for remasterings.

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I've never been able to get into Rivers' big band recordings. Perhaps I'll try again.

Perhaps give the recent Florida Big Band disc a try first??

I found the RCA 'all-star' group discs (from '99) more than just a bit impenetrable at first (for a few years, actually), but have grown to like them (though I wouldn't go so far as to say 'love'). The Florida big band date, on the other hand, knocked me on my ass from the git go. :crazy:

The key difference, for me, was the rhythm section. Sam's got an electric bass player (saw him with Sam in Topeka a few years ago), who also plays with his local big band. I was skeptical at first (electric in that kind of context?), but he/they soon won me over. He and the drummer were very tight.

To be perfectly honest, I'm probably a little more excited about this Rivers Select, than I might have been with his 70's small-group recordings.

Anybody else got Aurora, can you help me testify?!! :excited:

"Aurora" is indeed a great set! More accessible and enjoyable than "Culmination" and "Inspiration" from the late 90's on RCA IMHO. I saw the Sam Rivers RivBea Orchestra practice one night when visiting Orlando a couple of years back when they used the back room/ stage of a bar named Will's Pub. While they are "out", they do swing. Looking forward to this set.

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Looking forward to these, though admittedly I would have looked more forward to a big box of Sam Rivers trios.

Who says there won't be one? That's what we thought we were hearing before. There's a lot of the trio stuff floating around on blogs, as we previously noted, and it's fair to say that it is all much of a muchness. So it may be that project was abandoned in favor of this - or it may just be that we misinterpreted the whispers. In any case I find I am pretty much seventied out these days...

I dig what you are saying; the muchosphere has really changed the landscape for reissues/unearthed material, especially for titles that aren't sure sellers.

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Just got an email back from Mosaic and the remastering for the upcoming sets will be....drumroll.... :excited:

THEY WILL BE....

Sam Rivers--Jon Horwich

Charles Tolliver--Malcolm Addey

MJQ--Ron McMaster

Lunceford--Andreas Meyer

I was thinking Andreas Meyer might be doing the Lunceford set, since he's done the Shaw and the Armstrong. Hopefully it turns out great!

There it is!

Are you sure Ron McMaster will do the MJQ set? Seems strange to me, because it's Atlantic material and as an EMI/Blue Note engineer he's usually not mastering non-EMI/Blue Note material.

It may seem strange, but it is what it is. I was just trying to provide accurate information that people may want to know. That is all. :)

Michael Cuscuna has confirmed that the MJQ set will indeed be mastered by Ron McMaster.

Scott Wenzel just mentioned Malcom Addey to me as the mastering engineer of the MJQ set.

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Just got an email back from Mosaic and the remastering for the upcoming sets will be....drumroll.... :excited:

THEY WILL BE....

Sam Rivers--Jon Horwich

Charles Tolliver--Malcolm Addey

MJQ--Ron McMaster

Lunceford--Andreas Meyer

I was thinking Andreas Meyer might be doing the Lunceford set, since he's done the Shaw and the Armstrong. Hopefully it turns out great!

There it is!

Are you sure Ron McMaster will do the MJQ set? Seems strange to me, because it's Atlantic material and as an EMI/Blue Note engineer he's usually not mastering non-EMI/Blue Note material.

It may seem strange, but it is what it is. I was just trying to provide accurate information that people may want to know. That is all. :)

Michael Cuscuna has confirmed that the MJQ set will indeed be mastered by Ron McMaster.

Scott Wenzel just mentioned Malcom Addey to me as the mastering engineer of the MJQ set.

Scott just told me it would be Ron McMaster.

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Just got an email back from Mosaic and the remastering for the upcoming sets will be....drumroll.... :excited:

THEY WILL BE....

Sam Rivers--Jon Horwich

Charles Tolliver--Malcolm Addey

MJQ--Ron McMaster

Lunceford--Andreas Meyer

I was thinking Andreas Meyer might be doing the Lunceford set, since he's done the Shaw and the Armstrong. Hopefully it turns out great!

There it is!

Are you sure Ron McMaster will do the MJQ set? Seems strange to me, because it's Atlantic material and as an EMI/Blue Note engineer he's usually not mastering non-EMI/Blue Note material.

It may seem strange, but it is what it is. I was just trying to provide accurate information that people may want to know. That is all. :)

Michael Cuscuna has confirmed that the MJQ set will indeed be mastered by Ron McMaster.

Scott Wenzel just mentioned Malcom Addey to me as the mastering engineer of the MJQ set.

Scott just told me it would be Ron McMaster.

So...it's been McMaster all along. That's what I was told too (so I posted that fact on March 15th). I wouldn't post something like that without having a good source (Mosaic's Fred). Perhaps I'm taking it the wrong way (or blowing things out of proportion) but, where's the trust?!?! Geez, I was just trying to help (Mosaic enthusiasts) with initial post of who was remastering what...

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Just got an email back from Mosaic and the remastering for the upcoming sets will be....drumroll.... :excited:

THEY WILL BE....

Sam Rivers--Jon Horwich

Charles Tolliver--Malcolm Addey

MJQ--Ron McMaster

Lunceford--Andreas Meyer

I was thinking Andreas Meyer might be doing the Lunceford set, since he's done the Shaw and the Armstrong. Hopefully it turns out great!

There it is!

Are you sure Ron McMaster will do the MJQ set? Seems strange to me, because it's Atlantic material and as an EMI/Blue Note engineer he's usually not mastering non-EMI/Blue Note material.

It may seem strange, but it is what it is. I was just trying to provide accurate information that people may want to know. That is all. :)

Michael Cuscuna has confirmed that the MJQ set will indeed be mastered by Ron McMaster.

Scott Wenzel just mentioned Malcom Addey to me as the mastering engineer of the MJQ set.

Scott just told me it would be Ron McMaster.

So...it's been McMaster all along. That's what I was told too (so I posted that fact on March 15th). I wouldn't post something like that without having a good source (Mosaic's Fred). Perhaps I'm taking it the wrong way (or blowing things out of proportion) but, where's the trust?!?! Geez, I was just trying to help (Mosaic enthusiasts) with initial post of who was remastering what...

Good grief man, don't be so defensive. Nobody's attacking or criticizing you, I was just posting the (initially conflicting) info I got from Mosaic (Fred/Michael/Scott), that's all.

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