colinmce Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I haven't read the book, but I should check it out. I think he's referring to The Dark Tree. If so, yes get it. It comes with a great CD and is about $3 on Amazon. I haven't yet read Song of the Unsung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) Yes--The Dark Tree. I haven't read Song of the Unsung yet either, but the caliber of writing and research on The Dark Tree is unbelievable. Considering how little documentation there is of that scene, that book approaches Lewis's AACM tome in terms of depth and how effectively it details the intersection of so many different personalities. Edited April 17, 2012 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Not my understanding. Unless something changed recently. Well, that's the info I got a while ago. Maybe I was misinformed - so who does own FD? I thought someone, maybe JLH, posted last year that Thiele's daughters owned the rights to the catalog. Furthermore they didn't want to license the FD recordings out piecemeal because they felt they would get more money for the recordings if they sold them all together. The info I got was that they had sold FD. Maybe the answer is somewhere earlier in this thread, but I don't have time to re-read it. Well it looks like Jonathan has the rights to 'em, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 ...but rights and ownership are not the same thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Not my understanding. Unless something changed recently. Well, that's the info I got a while ago. Maybe I was misinformed - so who does own FD? I thought someone, maybe JLH, posted last year that Thiele's daughters owned the rights to the catalog. Furthermore they didn't want to license the FD recordings out piecemeal because they felt they would get more money for the recordings if they sold them all together. The info I got was that they had sold FD. Maybe the answer is somewhere earlier in this thread, but I don't have time to re-read it. Well it looks like Jonathan has the rights to 'em, so... Yes, the three he talked about, but does he also have the rights to the rest of the catalogue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Dear All, Thanks so much for all your comments. Well I will be putting out all three Flying Dutchman issues. So all will come out. Nice write up ep1str0phy. Very fine. I would not pair the two Carter Bradfords. I might issue both at the same time, but they would each be separate in their own packaging. So all three in their own packaging. On the Amazon UK price of the Fischer I have no idea what that rise was about. Strange. And for those of you who are not familiar with the Fischer work, it is not avant in any sense. It is very down the middle but brilliantly so. It is large ensemble arrangement at its finest bar nobody. For those not used to this genre, listen to it many many times and you'll soon hear how original the writing and arranging is as compared with your normal big band. There is very little solo work and even that is subjugated to the greater palette of the band. Hope you guys love it as I do. For some it will not be instant love. And for some it may never be. But for me it is desert island. Jonathan thank you so much for the FD's, especially the Tapscott - that was near the top of my RI list - You made my day The Dark Tree & Songs Of The Unsung are in my Jazz reading pile - next on the list once I finish Paudras' book on Powell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Ahh here's the post that I was thinking of.... The problem is the rights to the Flying Dutchman catalog reside with the several daughters of Bob Thiele. They wish to sell the entire catalog to someone. In the meantime they will not lease out the rights to any individual title. I am hoping they will sell soon at which point I would lease the rights from the new owner. Or I am hoping the daughters will change their minds and let me lease the two Carter Bradford releases on Flying Dutchman. Hope that clarifies. By the way, Sony Entertainment owned the rights up until 2010ish, but through whatever means ownership is now with the daughters. http://www.organissi...post__p__116047 So I guess the question now is did the daughters sell FD to someone else or did they relent and lease the rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) Ahh here's the post that I was thinking of.... The problem is the rights to the Flying Dutchman catalog reside with the several daughters of Bob Thiele. They wish to sell the entire catalog to someone. In the meantime they will not lease out the rights to any individual title. I am hoping they will sell soon at which point I would lease the rights from the new owner. Or I am hoping the daughters will change their minds and let me lease the two Carter Bradford releases on Flying Dutchman. Hope that clarifies. By the way, Sony Entertainment owned the rights up until 2010ish, but through whatever means ownership is now with the daughters. http://www.organissi...post__p__116047 So I guess the question now is did the daughters sell FD to someone else or did they relent and lease the rights? Thanks for digging that up. I found this recent post by JLH: Looks like I have the rights to Carter Bradford Flying Dutchman and, if I wish, Tapscott, The Giant Is Awakened. So that is very very good news. The Flying Dutchman catalog was finally sold and I got first rights to those performances. So Sony owned the catalogue up to about 2010, the daughters after that and it's now owned by whomever the daughters sold it to. Edited April 17, 2012 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I am extremely excited about the Flying Dutchman news. Hip hip hooray!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Ahh here's the post that I was thinking of.... The problem is the rights to the Flying Dutchman catalog reside with the several daughters of Bob Thiele. They wish to sell the entire catalog to someone. In the meantime they will not lease out the rights to any individual title. I am hoping they will sell soon at which point I would lease the rights from the new owner. Or I am hoping the daughters will change their minds and let me lease the two Carter Bradford releases on Flying Dutchman. Hope that clarifies. By the way, Sony Entertainment owned the rights up until 2010ish, but through whatever means ownership is now with the daughters. http://www.organissi...post__p__116047 So I guess the question now is did the daughters sell FD to someone else or did they relent and lease the rights? Yup. Thanks for clearing it up. Thanks for digging that up. I found this recent post by JLH: Looks like I have the rights to Carter Bradford Flying Dutchman and, if I wish, Tapscott, The Giant Is Awakened. So that is very very good news. The Flying Dutchman catalog was finally sold and I got first rights to those performances. So Sony owned the catalogue up to about 2010, the daughters after that and it's now owned by whomever the daughters sold it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'm wondering who owns Flying Dutchman now. So, this, still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanhorwich Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Sony did own the rights to the Flying Ductchman catalog but it went then to the daughters of Bob Thiele who finally sold it to Ace Records UK or who at least have the leasing rights to the catalog. My contact works for them and has given me the go ahead on reissuing those three titles as they have no plans themselves to do so. they are apparently reissuing other titles but not the Carter Brafford or the Tapscot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Sony did own the rights to the Flying Ductchman catalog but it went then to the daughters of Bob Thiele who finally sold it to Ace Records UK or who at least have the leasing rights to the catalog. My contact works for them and has given me the go ahead on reissuing those three titles as they have no plans themselves to do so. they are apparently reissuing other titles but not the Carter Brafford or the Tapscot. Thanks for clearing that up, Jonathan. I think the FD catalogue is in good hands with Ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Maybe now we can get that Oliver Nelson gem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 That would be HUGE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Ahh here's the post that I was thinking of.... The problem is the rights to the Flying Dutchman catalog reside with the several daughters of Bob Thiele. They wish to sell the entire catalog to someone. In the meantime they will not lease out the rights to any individual title. I am hoping they will sell soon at which point I would lease the rights from the new owner. Or I am hoping the daughters will change their minds and let me lease the two Carter Bradford releases on Flying Dutchman. Hope that clarifies. By the way, Sony Entertainment owned the rights up until 2010ish, but through whatever means ownership is now with the daughters. http://www.organissi...post__p__116047 So I guess the question now is did the daughters sell FD to someone else or did they relent and lease the rights? Yup. Thanks for clearing it up. Thanks for digging that up. I found this recent post by JLH: Looks like I have the rights to Carter Bradford Flying Dutchman and, if I wish, Tapscott, The Giant Is Awakened. So that is very very good news. The Flying Dutchman catalog was finally sold and I got first rights to those performances. So Sony owned the catalogue up to about 2010, the daughters after that and it's now owned by whomever the daughters sold it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Sony did own the rights to the Flying Ductchman catalog but it went then to the daughters of Bob Thiele who finally sold it to Ace Records UK or who at least have the leasing rights to the catalog. My contact works for them and has given me the go ahead on reissuing those three titles as they have no plans themselves to do so. they are apparently reissuing other titles but not the Carter Brafford or the Tapscot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) It's been a reissue dream of mine to see: • Flight For Four • Self Determination Music • The Giant Is Awakened have a proper reissue on compact disc. So glad Jonathan is at the helm of the project. They'll be treasures. Edited April 18, 2012 by Late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 It's been a reissue dream of mine to see: • Flight For Four • Self Determination Music • The Giant Is Awakened have a proper reissue on compact disc. So glad Jonathan is at the helm of the project. They'll be treasures. Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 JLH's resissues will be the only only exeptions to my current buying hiatus - the Clare Fischer first, although I have the Discovery LP reissue. I, too, consider this a true gem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Very excited at the prospect of finally hearing 'giant awakened' in pristine form. A must buy The Carter/Bradford LPs still doing it for me so they'll be a "maybe" purchase I'm also interested in the news that Ace have picked up Flying Dutchman....could be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 JLH's reissues will be the only only exceptions to my current buying hiatus Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Maybe now we can get that Oliver Nelson gem! and the Leon Thomas titles ("The Leon Thomas Album" has never been on CD, and the others have been difficult to find) and the Larry Coryell "Fairyland" Montreux recording. And there were other interesting titles floating in and out of the periphery of my memory, such as Arnie Lawrence, Chico Hamilton, Harold Alexander... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 While not all of the FD catalog is essential, there are some real gems including the three West Coast Hot LPs. The cover art on them is superb. Another favorite FD title of mine is Coryell's Barefoot Boy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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