jonathanhorwich Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Dear All, To start this thread on my next reissue, can someone with the Arista Freedom issue tell me the number that appears on the right side of the spine of the vinyl cover. I need this for my reissue. I see it as 0693, but both my covers are smashed on the edge and it is not easy to read. Then we'll move onto the next topic. Thanks in advance whoever has this cover. Jonathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 0698 - $6.98 suggested retail price. The catalog number on that reissue is Arista-Freedom 1028 (originally Mbari MPC 501). Check this copy that came with a poster!Btw, curious why you're going with the Arista artwork rather than the Mbari - the jacket on the Mbari is very nice-looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) 0698 - $6.98 suggested retail price. The catalog number on that reissue is Arista-Freedom 1028 (originally Mbari MPC 501). Check this copy that came with a poster! Btw, curious why you're going with the Arista artwork rather than the Mbari - the jacket on the Mbari is very nice-looking. Can you post a pick of the Mbari? I don't even know the original label, let alone the "original" artwork. Thx! Edited May 3, 2011 by Holy Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Click the link to the Popsike auction - that's what it looks like, on the front anyway. I wish my copy had come with the poster but at least it's otherwise in good nick. Really fine record.Mbari was Julius' label - also issued a double LP of overdubbed reed music, Blue Boye, as well as an LP of the poetry of K. Curtis Lyle called The Collected Poem for Blind Lemon Jefferson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mracz Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 It's probably much too late for you to consider for your reissue, but Hemphill's Coon Bidness has one more track apparently from the same session as Dogon AD: it's The Hard Blues, Side B of the original LP, very much a piece with Dogon AD and of the same quality I think. Bruynincx (the only discography I have, and it's the old print version), gives Feb 72 as the dates for both recordings, so I'm guessing they're from the same session or near enough. I also respect your "no extra material" take on reissuing classic LPs, as they have their own balance and integrity, but in this case I wonder if it's a case of the artist having to leave off a track because of time limitations... Does anyone know the story here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 It's probably much too late for you to consider for your reissue, but Hemphill's Coon Bidness has one more track apparently from the same session as Dogon AD: it's The Hard Blues, Side B of the original LP, very much a piece with Dogon AD and of the same quality I think. Bruynincx (the only discography I have, and it's the old print version), gives Feb 72 as the dates for both recordings, so I'm guessing they're from the same session or near enough. I also respect your "no extra material" take on reissuing classic LPs, as they have their own balance and integrity, but in this case I wonder if it's a case of the artist having to leave off a track because of time limitations... Does anyone know the story here? It will be part of the reissue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Cool, good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mracz Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Perfect. It's cool than an "orphaned" track will find its proper home at last... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanhorwich Posted May 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) Thank you all for your replies. I now have that spine number both from Clifford Thornton (thank you) and from Cuscuna. I am using the Arista cover as it is more known, has liner notes, has spine text, etc. The Mbari original had no notes, no spine text, and Michael Cuscuna told me Julius would much prefer the Arista cover which is wny Michael put out a new cover for the Arista release. I am completely duplicating the Mbari cover on the inside as an insert so the original cover will survive historically in the CD reissue. I went back and forth on this many many times and finally picked the Arista. But I could see it either way and still can. So I can't defend either decision, going either with the Mrabi or the Arista. I just finally picked the Arista and will have the Mrabi as the insert. Hard Blues is right here on the master tapes I have and will be on my reissue because it was part of that 72 session. I think you all will be very happy with the sound. I've improved the transfer line from analog to digital yet again. Jonathan Edited May 3, 2011 by JLH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Thanks! Looking forward to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Michael Cuscuna told me Julius would much prefer the Arista cover which is wny Michael put out a new cover for the Arista release. Not to pick a nit, but the Arista release was part of the Arista/Freedom series, and as I'm sure you know, there was a strict conformity of design to all the releases in that series (except maybe(?) the Braxton/Tietlebaum???), so that's why there was a new cover, I'm sure. Anyway, hardly a dealbreaker, looking forward to the reissue, greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I'm ready to purchase!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Man, really dig the Mbari cover, any chance you'll reconsider making that the cd cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Man, really dig the Mbari cover, any chance you'll reconsider making that the cd cover? I hear you on that, but isn't the Arista just a clearer proposition from a *retail* point of view? When I first saw the Mbari I had no idea even what it was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanhorwich Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 (edited) The comments by Holy Ghost and David Ayers are exactly the thinking I went through back and forth and back and forth (the only time in all my reissue work I have ever had a hard time deciding). Again, I can't even justify the decision to myself. I just finally picked the Arista for several reasons one of which David expresses. I think by having the Mbari cover as an insert we obviate much of the negative side of not having it as the primary cover. Again, sorry to those who prefer the Mbari cover. However, I think you'll be pleased with the overall production and reissue. Edited May 4, 2011 by JLH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 (edited) JLH are you bringing Dogon AD out on cd? WHen and where can I buy it? Edited May 4, 2011 by skeith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I don't give a damn which cover is used, as long as it is finally reissued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Nice cover discussion, but what I'd like to know as the newbie that I still am: What's the music like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Earthy, open, gorgeous, driving, funky, humorous, sharp, intense, painful, lyrical, manly, womanly, beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I don't give a damn which cover is used, as long as it is finally reissued. Me too. Thanks for doing this JLH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I don't give a damn which cover is used, as long as it is finally reissued. Me too. Thanks for doing this JLH. :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Can anyone tell me if the planned release is on Cd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 was wondering if one has to negotiate at all with the Hemphill estate for rights to this music, or is it simply licensed from Arista? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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