colinmce Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Apologies if you've answered this one before, but what about the complete Ne Plus Ultra sessions, specifically the 14 Sept date which yielded only one issued take? A huge drawback for this potential release is that the album has been issued twice on CD, but with extra music and restored art at your standard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Apologies if you've answered this one before, but what about the complete Ne Plus Ultra sessions, specifically the 14 Sept date which yielded only one issued take? A huge drawback for this potential release is that the album has been issued twice on CD, but with extra music and restored art at your standard... Yes , yes , quartet .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Joe Daley 3 disc set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I'd love to see "Pee Wee Russell Plays" . . . though it's different than any of the other releases on the label, I think it has the requisite excellence. My dream release of it would have both stereo and mono versions. Since this can be found on an in print Lonehill CD ..... nice album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) Yeah, but it's a BOOT. Sucks. JLH's release would mop the floor with it. Edited April 3, 2014 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I know, but because it is available in that form, he won't consider. Besides that, as much as I love Pee Wee Russell, I think it is not quite on the level Jonathan wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Well, I don't agree with you on the "level." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 If there were good rehearsal material from the 2nd Monk Big Band record on Columbia.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanhorwich Posted April 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thanks for your suggestions. As a note I don't get what JSngry means by "Although perhaps not for life in general, hello this. Or perhaps for life in general after all. Who am I to judge?" I'm probably a bit dense. ​Well thanks for the encouragement on the Joe Daley. I'm definitely going to do it. On Ne Plus Ultra, I'm sad to tell you that Werner who heads Hat Hut destroyed this and two other of our masters. My partner Bill Hardy who had one of the best ears in jazz was not good with the mechanical end. I was away for a while (my huge mistake) and Bill leased Ne Plus Ultra to Hat Hut who copied it to digital but had trouble with the tape not knowing what sticky tape syndrome is and decided to destroy the tape and did so. I found out about this years later from him. I almost sued but did not. This is a criminal act and someday I still may sue him. But very involved. Anyway the original tapes are all gone. I only have his digital copy which at his engineer's standard sucks. They didn't know how to handle tape at all (its so easy once you know what to do) and surely did not know how to make a 1 to 1 copy from analog to digital. Hence not sure what I'll do with Ne Plus Ultra. By the way, one thing I do not like about Ne Plus Ultra is that Marsh doesn't solo enough or long enough. Bill had a genius recording for us and he should have centered the performances around Marsh going at it. Instead it is very very good but could have been magical. Sad story really. I probably will put out the Revelation Marsh stuff from the Half Note if I don't get put in jail. Now that stuff is the shit. Marsh is on another planet on those improvs we put out on vinyl. Anyway, let me review all these suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 What's your take on "Hum Dono" actually? No idea how feasible it might be on the side of laws and stuff, but musically, ain't it wonderful? Sad story about the "Ne Plus Ultra" masters - wow! But that live material ... from what time is it and who's playing with Marsh there? Sounds like a great plan to me, either way! Also most happy to hear the Daley is going to happen :tup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) If there were good rehearsal material from the 2nd Monk Big Band record on Columbia.... You're talking about "Big Band & Quartet in Concert"? I'd second that - it was out on CD but is long out of print. Why they didn't keep it in the catalog is a mystery to me. I think that concert is one of the best things Monk has ever recorded. Although I'm not sure if any rehearsal material would stand up against these great concert performances. Edited April 5, 2014 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 The Big Band and Quartet in Concert disc set is still in print in the US as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) What's your take on "Hum Dono" actually? No idea how feasible it might be on the side of laws and stuff, but musically, ain't it wonderful? Sad story about the "Ne Plus Ultra" masters - wow! But that live material ... from what time is it and who's playing with Marsh there? Sounds like a great plan to me, either way! Also most happy to hear the Daley is going to happen :tup I think Jonathan is referring to the Half Note recordings from 1959 (Konitz/Marsh/Evans/Garrison/Motian) - some was released in full on a Verve twofer CD in the 90's The LP releases on Revelation 22 & 27 (The Art Of Improvising, Vols 1 & 2) were just the Warne solos with rhythm section plus the occasional Konitz Edited April 5, 2014 by romualdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Oh, thanks for kick-starting my memory ... I remember again now. Would be all for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thanks for your suggestions. As a note I don't get what JSngry means by "Although perhaps not for life in general, hello this. Or perhaps for life in general after all. Who am I to judge?" I'm probably a bit dense. ​Well thanks for the encouragement on the Joe Daley. I'm definitely going to do it. On Ne Plus Ultra, I'm sad to tell you that Werner who heads Hat Hut destroyed this and two other of our masters. My partner Bill Hardy who had one of the best ears in jazz was not good with the mechanical end. I was away for a while (my huge mistake) and Bill leased Ne Plus Ultra to Hat Hut who copied it to digital but had trouble with the tape not knowing what sticky tape syndrome is and decided to destroy the tape and did so. I found out about this years later from him. I almost sued but did not. This is a criminal act and someday I still may sue him. But very involved. Anyway the original tapes are all gone. I only have his digital copy which at his engineer's standard sucks. They didn't know how to handle tape at all (its so easy once you know what to do) and surely did not know how to make a 1 to 1 copy from analog to digital. Hence not sure what I'll do with Ne Plus Ultra. By the way, one thing I do not like about Ne Plus Ultra is that Marsh doesn't solo enough or long enough. Bill had a genius recording for us and he should have centered the performances around Marsh going at it. Instead it is very very good but could have been magical. Sad story really. I probably will put out the Revelation Marsh stuff from the Half Note if I don't get put in jail. Now that stuff is the shit. Marsh is on another planet on those improvs we put out on vinyl. Anyway, let me review all these suggestions. Ridiculous story about Hat hut and the Ne Plus Ultra Tape. If you don't know what to do with a tape, you don't destory it. Pure craziness. I don't know if there should be repercussions. That's your call. Looking forward to the Daley release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Thanks for your suggestions. As a note I don't get what JSngry means by "Although perhaps not for life in general, hello this. Or perhaps for life in general after all. Who am I to judge?" I'm probably a bit dense. ​Well thanks for the encouragement on the Joe Daley. I'm definitely going to do it. On Ne Plus Ultra, I'm sad to tell you that Werner who heads Hat Hut destroyed this and two other of our masters. My partner Bill Hardy who had one of the best ears in jazz was not good with the mechanical end. I was away for a while (my huge mistake) and Bill leased Ne Plus Ultra to Hat Hut who copied it to digital but had trouble with the tape not knowing what sticky tape syndrome is and decided to destroy the tape and did so. I found out about this years later from him. I almost sued but did not. This is a criminal act and someday I still may sue him. But very involved. Anyway the original tapes are all gone. I only have his digital copy which at his engineer's standard sucks. They didn't know how to handle tape at all (its so easy once you know what to do) and surely did not know how to make a 1 to 1 copy from analog to digital. Hence not sure what I'll do with Ne Plus Ultra. By the way, one thing I do not like about Ne Plus Ultra is that Marsh doesn't solo enough or long enough. Bill had a genius recording for us and he should have centered the performances around Marsh going at it. Instead it is very very good but could have been magical. Sad story really. I probably will put out the Revelation Marsh stuff from the Half Note if I don't get put in jail. Now that stuff is the shit. Marsh is on another planet on those improvs we put out on vinyl. Anyway, let me review all these suggestions. Ridiculous story about Hat hut and the Ne Plus Ultra Tape. If you don't know what to do with a tape, you don't destory it. Pure craziness. I don't know if there should be repercussions. That's your call. Looking forward to the Daley release. Wondering why a owner would lease an original tape without having a first generation analog and/or digital copy based on best possible technical/aural standards at his disposal - but otherwise really sad that somebody would destroy a tape at all, even the imagination hurts...... Edited April 5, 2014 by soulpope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 That's heartbreaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Indeed ... so many original sources were destroyed through carelessness or whatever. Too bad ... I Sincerely hope we get to hear those other Marsh tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnblitweiler Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Re the destruction of the leased Warne Marsh tape: That's theft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Sue him? Hell, kill him. He's done all the good he can do and now seems to be turning towards destruction. Not sure what movie this is from, but it springs to mind from time to time. Not sure if it was James Coburn or Richard Roundtree...might have been somebody else, Pauil Newman, maybe? Hell, lots of people have said lots of things in lots of movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 The destruction of the tapes is not unusual. EMI dumped a bunch of 78 masters once they were transferred to tape in the '50s. I also know of at least one label from my era that dumped tapes after the first digital transfer, and worse dumped tapes deemed "degraded" and not able to transfer to digital. When I told the label owner of the way to reclaim the tapes he said "shit". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) What's your take on "Hum Dono" actually? No idea how feasible it might be on the side of laws and stuff, but musically, ain't it wonderful? Sad story about the "Ne Plus Ultra" masters - wow! But that live material ... from what time is it and who's playing with Marsh there? Sounds like a great plan to me, either way! Also most happy to hear the Daley is going to happen :tup I think Jonathan is referring to the Half Note recordings from 1959 (Konitz/Marsh/Evans/Garrison/Motian) - some was released in full on a Verve twofer CD in the 90'sThe LP releases on Revelation 22 & 27 (The Art Of Improvising, Vols 1 & 2) were just the Warne solos with rhythm section plus the occasional KonitzI have what I believe is an "unauthorized" release with 12 of the complete Half Note takes.I understand there are more than 40, so I'd buy it to get the other 30. Edited April 7, 2014 by jlhoots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 What's your take on "Hum Dono" actually? No idea how feasible it might be on the side of laws and stuff, but musically, ain't it wonderful? Sad story about the "Ne Plus Ultra" masters - wow! But that live material ... from what time is it and who's playing with Marsh there? Sounds like a great plan to me, either way! Also most happy to hear the Daley is going to happen :tup I think Jonathan is referring to the Half Note recordings from 1959 (Konitz/Marsh/Evans/Garrison/Motian) - some was released in full on a Verve twofer CD in the 90's The LP releases on Revelation 22 & 27 (The Art Of Improvising, Vols 1 & 2) were just the Warne solos with rhythm section plus the occasional Konitz I have what I believe is an "unauthorized" release with 12 of the complete Half Note takes. I understand there are more than 40, so I'd buy it to get the other 30. 1 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM 27-track 10 7:42 14 BACK HOME 22-track 19 6:4115 HALF NELSON 22-track 20 6:4116 TANGERINE 27-track 4 6:2517 YARDBIRD SUITE 27-track 6 7:3618 BODY AND SOUL * 7:1519 BACKGROUND MUSIC 27-track 11 8:2620 WILL YOU STILL BE MINE? 27-track 7 9:0221 PENNIES IN MINOR 27-track 14 inc. 6:34 1 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE 7:50 2 HOW ABOUT YOU 22-track 10 6:293 SCRAPPLE FROM THE APPLE 22-track 11 5:094 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM 22-track 17 7:535 317 E. 32nd 27-track 9 8:316 APRIL 22-track 18 10:267 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE 22-track 14 (ens.) / 22-track 16 (solo) 6:578 YESTERDAYS WM out 5:259 BABY, BABY ALL THE TIME 22-track 12 7:0410 LENNIE BIRD 22-track 8 8:3311 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 27-track 8 9:5112 TWO NOT ONE 22-track 13 inc. 7:4613 BACK HOME * 22-track 7 7:5314 HALF NELSON * 22-track 15 8:1515 THE SONG IS YOU 22-track 9 10:3016 LOVERMAN WM out 4:3517 YARDBIRD SUITE * 27-track 12 9:3218 WILL YOU STILL BE MINE? * WM out 6:3719 PENNIES IN MINOR 27-track 5 6:2320 'ROUND MIDNIGHT 5:0021 FISHIN' AROUND * 27-track 3 7:04 These are the 30 tracks, correct ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 up for Jonathan: What's your take on "Hum Dono" actually? No idea how feasible it might be on the side of laws and stuff, but musically, ain't it wonderful? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 Great record but I'm not sure if JLH can find a copy to listen to and judge for himself. That's an LP I would totally break the bank for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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