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Sonny Rollins help

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I know the double RVG of Live at the Village Vanguard has more songs on it, but I was wondering if anybody had an opinion about the sound quality of the TOCJ's (1500 series) that were released individually in Japan. Any opinions or help would be appreciated

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Greg

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I don't have a copy of the TOJC but I have heard the old seperate 80's discs and I now own the RVG.

The sound on the RVG is still a bit muddy but it is far better than the old seperates. On my system the drums are clearer.

Are you wanting to 'upgrade'?

I personaly have no desire to but I hope you find if it's worth it.

cheers, tonym.

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I believe there were three disks in the TOCJ BN Works series comprising all of the material on the RVG 2CD set.

I have vol 1 and vol 3. If I can squeeze it in and don't forget I can do some comparing.

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There was a CD with the same cover but blue (instead of red or whatever you call that strange colour). This one (I saw it once in a store, but I'm happy with the 2CD RVG edition, cannot compare sound-wise) added the tracks not released originally, I think. Maybe this is the volume three you mention, couw?

ubu

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I have the 2CD RVG (but none of the other releases of this session), but honestly -although I like the musik- the absolute quality of this re-master is poor compared to other sessions e.g. the K2 5CD Freelance Box set including Way out west and more....

So depends o n what your goal is... looking for an upgrade.. I personally would drop that...

Cheers, Tjobbe

EDIT: not sure if the base material allows great improvements in sound quality..

Edited by tjobbe

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TOCJ 1581:

1 Old devil moon

2 Softly as in a morning sunrise

3 striver's row

4 Sonnymoon for two

5 A night in Tunisia

6 I can't get started

CJ1613.GIF

Vol. 2: TOCJ 1613

???

CJ1614.GIF

Vol. 3: TOCJ 1614

1 All the things you are

2 Woody'n you

3 Four

4 I'll remember April

5 Get happy

6 Get happy

RVG 2CD:

1 A night in Tunisia

2 I've got you under my skin

3 A night in Tunisia

4 Softly as in a morning sunrise

5 Four

6 Introduction

7 Woody 'n' you

8 Introduction

9 Old devil moon

1 What is this thing called love

2 Softly as in a morning sunrise

3 Sonnymoon for two

4 I can't get started

5 I'll remember April

6 Get happy

7 Striver's row

8 All the things you are

9 Get happy

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according to this site, it's something like this:

tk 1 Woody'n You rejected

tk 2 A Night in Tunisia (afternoon) BLP 1581

tk 3 I've Got You Under My Skin TOCJ 1613

tk 4 What Is This Thing Called Love? rejected

tk 5 That Ol' Devil Moon rejected

tk 6 A Night in Tunisia (evening) TOCJ 1613

tk 7 Softly, As in a Morning Sunrise (alt. take) TOCJ 1613

tk 8 Four TOCJ 1614

tk 9 Woody'n You TOCJ 1614

tk 10 That Ol' Devil Moon BLP 1581

tk 11 What Is This Thing Called Love? TOCJ 1613

tk 12 Softly, As in a Morning Sunrise BLP 1581

tk 13 Sonnymoon for Two BLP 1581

tk 14 I Can't Get Started BLP 1581

tk 15 I'll Remember April TOCJ 1614

tk 16 Get Happy (long ver.) TOCJ 1614

tk 17 Striver's Row BLP 1581

tk 18 All the Things You Are TOCJ 1614

tk 19 Get Happy (short ver.) TOCJ 1614

tk 20 Striver's Row rejected

all 16 tracks that are on the three TOCJ issues are on the RVG 2CD

Edited by couw

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I haven't heard the TOCJ release, only the original McMaster and the RVG. You can get the RVG 2CD set for the price of one TOCJ disc. With this price difference, and given that the recording itself is flawed, I would not think too much about the TOCJ option. Rudy generally did a good job in remastering the mono Blue Note sessions.

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You can get the RVG 2CD set for the price of one TOCJ disc.

which is why I quit my search for volume 2 and went the RVG route myself.

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Don't the cymbols smear badly on every issue of this set?

Except for the music, it's a terrible recording and if I had been in-charge it never would have been released.

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Except for the music, it's a terrible recording and if I had been in-charge it never would have been released.

owww man! what a thing to say. music is more than sound and as you yourself admit, the playing is really great here.

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Except for the music, it's a terrible recording and if I had been in-charge it never would have been released.

owww man! what a thing to say. music is more than sound and as you yourself admit, the playing is really great here.

YES INDEED!!

ubu ;)

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I'm glad it's available and there are parts I like. It may be just me, but the sound is really, really bad and drives me from the room at times. The bad sound takes away from the music. A horrendous recording like this would never be released today.

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okay to each his own. I enjoy the music more than the sound deficiency disturbs me. B)

Edited by couw

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A horrendous recording like this would never be released today.

No doubt, and an indictment of our times if ever there was one...

I'm still doing LPs on this stuff. Does the RVG have the added stage patter, and if not, where do I have to go to get it?

(favorite Rollins announcement is from that Dragon thing where he says, "Good afternoon, jazz fans, this is Sonny Rollins...", like he's Red Barber doing a Dodgers game. Priceless...)

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I'm still doing LPs on this stuff. Does the RVG have the added stage patter, and if not, where do I have to go to get it?

check the tracklisting of the RVG above, there's introductions before Woody 'n You and before Old Devil Moon.

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This is "Uncle Don" !?!?

And I love the debate of 'Lil Abner vs Kiss Me Kate. :P

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Wasn't it Finian's Rainbow?

Edited by tonym

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He is very deadpan in his delivery of these comments too.

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I have the first TOCJ and the 2-disc RVG. The TOCJ sounds very fine, but the RVG, to me, is just as good if not, at times, "better" (more presence, air, etc.). The RVG gets the vote from me due, strangely enough, to the included stage banter and the not-ridiculous price.

Case closed: Buy the RVG and enter into the debate over Kiss Me Kate, no, Finnian's Rainbow, no, West Side Story, no, Star Trek. I love Theodore "Uncle Don" Rollins' playing on this whole set.

Edited by Late

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Another TOCJ-less comment; the RVG has less reverb and less peak distortion than the McMaster.

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thanks for all the imput I appreciate the help.

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I don't like RVG's in general at all but I kept this one because the sound is OK and, JSngry, there is more stage patter from Sonny. The sound in general never bothered me and it is some of the best Sonny ever on record so I personally don't see where some of that other stuff is coming from.

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Well, I have a TOCJ and the sound is pretty good to my non-audiophile ears. The TOCJ I have is none of the those mentioned above but rather a best of version of all three volumes.

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