mmilovan Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 It seems that people ARE interested in releasing the material, but that "copyright" is an issue. In other words, money has to be paid to the holders of the rights to this music. Since this music is in the public domain, and will be reissued and marketed immediately in Europe after its first release, any label that would agree to pay the money would most likely have to take a loss on it. That is the sad truth. Unfortunately. Still, there are so many reasons for issuing such historically important music. Someone compared it to finding rare poem from well-known writer, or musical score long thought gone. I think about it the same. Probably, some kind man or label will turn out in near future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 It seems that people ARE interested in releasing the material, but that "copyright" is an issue. In other words, money has to be paid to the holders of the rights to this music. Since this music is in the public domain, and will be reissued and marketed immediately in Europe after its first release, any label that would agree to pay the money would most likely have to take a loss on it. That is the sad truth. Unfortunately. Still, there are so many reasons for issuing such historically important music. Someone compared it to finding rare poem from well-known writer, or musical score long thought gone. I think about it the same. Probably, some kind man or label will turn out in near future... Alternatively, they could sell it as a download. That might be more logical, given its short length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 "drop your drawers, drop your drawers, drop your drawers" -from Two to Tango? It's been a long time since I listened. I used to have a dream that they found Prez and brought him back to the West End Cafe. He looked good and sounded good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Just placed an order for the Savoy 2-cd set, which will be my first discs by Prez. Did I select a good introduction to Lester? I'll peruse this thread for more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) Just placed an order for the Savoy 2-cd set, which will be my first discs by Prez. Did I select a good introduction to Lester? I'll peruse this thread for more... Not a bad introduction at all - it's some of his best mid-to-late 40's work, rivaled (and maybe surpassed) by the Aladdin and Keynote recordings. I particularly like the boppish 1949 session with Jesse Drake, Junior Mance, and Roy Haynes. (Edited because I can't spell.) Edited July 22, 2010 by jeffcrom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 The session with Basie (on the Savoy) is among my top favorite Pres small group sessions! In general I'd recommend the Aladdin over the Savoy package, though... some awesomely great music on the Aladdin dates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Thanks Jeff and Ubu! I'll have to look into the Aladdin stuff at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Just placed an order for the Savoy 2-cd set, which will be my first discs by Prez. Did I select a good introduction to Lester? I'll peruse this thread for more... Not a bad introduction at all - it's some of his best mid-to-late 40's work, rivaled (and maybe surpassed) by the Aladdin and Keynote recordings. I particularly like the boppish 1949 session with Jesse Drake, Junior Mance, and Roy Haynes. (Edited because I can't spell.) Yes, the 1949 session is a beauty. The 1950 live session on disc 2 of the Savoy package is some of my favorite Pres on wax, meaning some of my favorite music on wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Hm, I kind of forgot about the great live material on disc 2 of the Savoy set - hellyeah! The other studio dates I don't find that thrilling... but for Presophiles such as us few here, there's always some magic in his playing, regardless how improbable or unfitting the surroundings are (Glenn Hardman's Hammond Five, anyone?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bichos Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 oh, my goodness!!!! another video of lester young from art ford´s jazz party!! "mean to me": just wonderful!!!!! enjoy: i´m happy that there is still more and more coming to light!!! keep boppin´ marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 oh, my goodness!!!! another video of lester young from art ford´s jazz party!! "mean to me": just wonderful!!!!! enjoy: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=9wvAjA-ovhs i´m happy that there is still more and more coming to light!!! keep boppin´ marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted O'Reilly Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Hm, I kind of forgot about the great live material on disc 2 of the Savoy set - hellyeah! The other studio dates I don't find that thrilling... but for Presophiles such as us few here, there's always some magic in his playing, regardless how improbable or unfitting the surroundings are (Glenn Hardman's Hammond Five, anyone?) But, if you didn't have the Hammond Five, you couldn't have the "Upright Organ Blues"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Hm, I kind of forgot about the great live material on disc 2 of the Savoy set - hellyeah! The other studio dates I don't find that thrilling... but for Presophiles such as us few here, there's always some magic in his playing, regardless how improbable or unfitting the surroundings are (Glenn Hardman's Hammond Five, anyone?) But, if you didn't have the Hammond Five, you couldn't have the "Upright Organ Blues"! Yeah, you have a point there I was astonished by that session when I gave the Pres Mosaic a first listen a few weeks ago - have known it for several years, and the pedestrian organ is always a drawback, but Pres is in terrific shape! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6ogRiaWXaU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Perfect music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6ogRiaWXaU Man, that is just beautiful. :tup :tup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Backing Lester Young on that Art Ford Jazz Party session were Ray Bryant, piano, Vinnie Burke, bass, and John Paretti, drums. Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) From our favorite Spanish Lonehill pirates... ...but check out Pres' 3-minute solo on Birks' Works. Damn! Edited August 7, 2010 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 What´s that one? Was it out before? One of the many fifties Verve JATP releases (where I haven´t got the slightest overview of that there is... too bad they never followed up the JATP forties box!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Thanks John L. for the reminder! That JATP September 1955 Carnegie Hall concert was previously released on the Hall of Fame label (vinyl bootleg label - from the 70s?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Englewood Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 From our favorite Spanish Lonehill pirates... ...but check out Pres' 3-minute solo on Birks' Works. Damn! Hmmmm, I saw that one in the local Tower the other day, but I tend not to like those JATP type deals. Hmmmm indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 In that case, you might not like this one either. Most of it is a pretty typical JATP date. In fact, it comes from several JATP dates, and Pres and Ben only play on a few tracks. But there are two Pres features, including part of Birks' Works, that will more than justify the purchase for us fanatics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Englewood Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) In that case, you might not like this one either. Most of it is a pretty typical JATP date. In fact, it comes from several JATP dates, and Pres and Ben only play on a few tracks. But there are two Pres features, including part of Birks' Works, that will more than justify the purchase for us fanatics. Thanks for the tip John L, I'll give it a miss then. Lonehill also released this one a while back; which contains, obviously enough, the 7 tunes that were on this one, (I know it had 6 tunes originally); But it also had a quartet session with John Lewis and Gene Ramey and Jo Jones from 1951, which is excellent, so if you don't have the original Pres & Teddy, you should probably get the one on Lonehill. Was this the original cover of the session with Lewis?, or is it a completly different session altogether, I see Ray Brown and Buddy Rich names on the cover, it seems to have been re-issued in Japan fairly recently. And I love the Storyville 100 Years: Forever Young set, I even like the anouncements, I feel thay add to the whole thing rather than take away. Edited August 7, 2010 by Cliff Englewood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Was this the original cover of the session with Lewis?, or is it a completly different session altogether, I see Ray Brown and Buddy Rich names on the cover, it seems to have been re-issued in Japan fairly recently. Yes, this was the original release (Norgran MGN 1072) of the sessions with John Lewis. Cover photo by Herman Leonard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Just in case some Pres fans may have missed this thread On the other hand, this looks like it could be another one of those copyright nightmares that could prevent us from ever hearing the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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