A Lark Ascending Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Ben? Who's Ben? The dreaded irony, not sarcasm! Seems to have seeped from another thread. Although over here we drink it with our mother's milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Y'all got some sarcastic mothers over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Is that meant to be ironic? ****************** Just in case I get told off for thread creep... Jazzwise is not a learned journal. It tells you what is happening, is not over-reverential to US jazz (actually, in Stuart Nicholson's columns its downright hostile!!!) and tells you a bit about latest releases. One thing I've noticed in music magazines in general in recent years is how much space is cluttered with things like polls, awards, end of year lists, 100 best this or thats. Gramophone recently had a best modern opera houses in the world with sparkly pictures; and BBC Music Magazine had one on composers and their dogs! We've not had that yet in Jazzwise - jazz musicians and their dogs! The most irritating thing for me in Jazzwise is the Bitches Brew panel (maybe the dogs are due to appear there). Various bits of news and hearsay flung together like a gossip column...but nearly always with some adolescent innuendo about which journalist got drunk at which festival party. Who, beyond those in the Jazzwise office, needs to know that? Strange. Edited January 31, 2012 by A Lark Ascending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Y'all got some sarcastic mothers over there? Oh, that's a very nice way to talk about our mothers, I must say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Ben? Who's Ben? The dreaded irony, not sarcasm! Seems to have seeped from another thread. Although over here we drink it with our mother's milk. Incidentally, this falls in that transitional period - Zorn to post-Zorn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 And that's a good album, even with that cover! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Pomea Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I don't know about anybody else, but that's how I usually think about music - pre-Zorn, Zorn, and post-Zorn. Pre-Zorn is typified by artists like Bach, Charlie Parker, Dean Martin, and Led Zeppelin. Then, of course, there's Zorn, who needs no introduction. I've yet to hear any post-Zorn music that's really caught my ear. It's all that middle-of-the-road, three-star kind of stuff. Actually it's "post-modern," which means it came after the "modern" period -- a period that spanned roughly from the end of the late Middle Ages until some time last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Y'all got some sarcastic mothers over there? Oh, that's a very nice way to talk about our mothers, I must say Well given they way Miles used to talk about acquaintances' relations with their mothers... (Davis, not Kington, by the way. Tu compris?). I don't know about anybody else, but that's how I usually think about music - pre-Zorn, Zorn, and post-Zorn. Pre-Zorn is typified by artists like Bach, Charlie Parker, Dean Martin, and Led Zeppelin. Then, of course, there's Zorn, who needs no introduction. I've yet to hear any post-Zorn music that's really caught my ear. It's all that middle-of-the-road, three-star kind of stuff. Actually it's "post-modern," which means it came after the "modern" period -- a period that spanned roughly from the end of the late Middle Ages until some time last year. Always thought there was a great Jazz Messengers or Miles Second Quintet album title in this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bneuman Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 It raises the question -- are there any albums by Zorn himself we could classify as "post-Zorn"? If we focus just on the pre-Zorn period, then, sure, Hildegard was a major landmark. I myself see Zorn as a synthesis of Hildegard and hardcore music adapted for "the Jewish scale", as they call it. There's other ways to look at it, too. Remember, "jazz" ended in 1959. Then there were 20 or so years where nothing of note happened, until the "Zorn" period began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 It raises the question -- are there any albums by Zorn himself we could classify as "post-Zorn"? If we focus just on the pre-Zorn period, then, sure, Hildegard was a major landmark. I myself see Zorn as a synthesis of Hildegard and hardcore music adapted for "the Jewish scale", as they call it. There's other ways to look at it, too. Remember, "jazz" ended in 1959. Then there were 20 or so years where nothing of note happened, until the "Zorn" period began. I'm sometimes slow on tthe uptake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 This thread is pointless - if Allen's album were any good, it would be on ECM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 If that's the Ben Neuman I know, he's a hell of a good jazz pianist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Is it just me or is 'Jazzwise' getting very diluted these days? Scanned the latest copy in 'Ray's' yesterday but was undewhelmed with the jazz content and didn't bother buying it. Likewise 'Jazz Journal' - half of that was 'Critics Polls'. More meat required ! I gave up on both these publications some time ago. I found I could get more information about jazz from being a member of this forum! Totally agree ! Plus the fact that it now costs best part of a fiver each. Having said that, they are a bargain compared with the rail ticket I ended up buying yesterday (just under £100, plus I wasn't going to Mars ). One of the Jazz Journals before Xmas had an article on Michael Cuscuna and Mosaic. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get hold of it. Anyone manage to pick up a copy and able to comment on it? Edited February 1, 2012 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 It raises the question -- are there any albums by Zorn himself we could classify as "post-Zorn"? If we focus just on the pre-Zorn period, then, sure, Hildegard was a major landmark. I myself see Zorn as a synthesis of Hildegard and hardcore music adapted for "the Jewish scale", as they call it. There's other ways to look at it, too. Remember, "jazz" ended in 1959. Then there were 20 or so years where nothing of note happened, until the "Zorn" period began. Today's 'irony' award goes to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 "if Allen's album were any good, it would be on ECM." or EMI; or MCA; or CTI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Ben Neuman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aol6deOPV9A&feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Is it just me or is 'Jazzwise' getting very diluted these days? Scanned the latest copy in 'Ray's' yesterday but was undewhelmed with the jazz content and didn't bother buying it. Likewise 'Jazz Journal' - half of that was 'Critics Polls'. More meat required ! I gave up on both these publications some time ago. I found I could get more information about jazz from being a member of this forum! Totally agree ! Plus the fact that it now costs best part of a fiver each. Having said that, they are a bargain compared with the rail ticket I ended up buying yesterday (just under £100, plus I wasn't going to Mars ). One of the Jazz Journals before Xmas had an article on Michael Cuscuna and Mosaic. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get hold of it. Anyone manage to pick up a copy and able to comment on it? Bob, The Cuscuna piece in JJ was hardly worth reading, just one page with nothing of interest or anything we didn't already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 that's the whole review? They should demand he return the review copy. Thank you for getting that, I've been trying to keep an eye out for the foreign press. FWIW - just to clarify - they do do longer reviews too: they just also have a 'round-up' section, which this review seems to have been part of. I'm not clear what the editorial policy is here as to what goes in which section, but many things do get a more extensive treatment. Completely agree with comments about Kevin Le Gendre, who is both an extremely knowledgeable reviewer and sensitive interviewer. (Did anyone catch his chat with Roy Haynes at the London Jazz Festival? Fantastic stuff.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) Completely agree with comments about Kevin Le Gendre, who is both an extremely knowledgeable reviewer and sensitive interviewer. (Did anyone catch his chat with Roy Haynes at the London Jazz Festival? Fantastic stuff.) He knows his stuff, for sure. The one 'chat' I did catch with him was his interview at RFH with Charles Tolliver several years ago (before the Tolliver Big Band performance) - very well done. Since then, I've also caught his Cannonball Adderley Civil Rights/'70s' talk. Bob, The Cuscuna piece in JJ was hardly worth reading, just one page with nothing of interest or anything we didn't already know. Thanks John - I'll rest easier now. How can one possible write an article on Cuscuna/Mosaic and limit it to just the one page? I'd fill the whole mag. Edited February 3, 2012 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Nice interview with Alexander Hawkins inMarch issue. All there ,ever out gets 4 stars, well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Thanks for that Adrian! Yes, just got sent the PDF of that yesterday...here's the review portion if anyone's curious, although I think the short interview segment is possibly only in print/available to subscribers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 nice review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Thanks for that Adrian! Yes, just got sent the PDF of that yesterday...here's the review portion if anyone's curious, although I think the short interview segment is possibly only in print/available to subscribers... Can't you tell us what you said? Or did you sign a clause saying you would never repeat a word of it...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Just picked up my copy - congrats to Alex ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Thanks for that Adrian! Yes, just got sent the PDF of that yesterday...here's the review portion if anyone's curious, although I think the short interview segment is possibly only in print/available to subscribers... Can't you tell us what you said? Or did you sign a clause saying you would never repeat a word of it...? Yeah, afraid it's very much one of those 'If I told you, I'd have to shoot you' situations Seriously though - not at my own computer just now, but will try to put a transcript up if I remember later! p.s. thanks everyone for the kind comments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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