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[Hardbopjazz]

Now does anyone know if there is anything new on this reissue? I have these. I was told the sound is far better than what was issued in the past.


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Edited by Hardbopjazz, 06 March 2012 - 08:32 AM.

[jazzbo]

There's some discussion in this thread:

http://www.organissi..._1#entry1152373

Sound is quite good. I wouldn't say that the sound is markedly better than the Mosaic or Columbia cds, different than the Mosaic, maybe a bit better. I've been told that the albums here that were put out by Wounded Bird sound quite improved in this set compared to the Wounded Bird versions.

There is one additional hour (on a separate disc) of previously unreleased live material in the set, from the same shows as "Stepping Stone." Ands very good performances.

Edited by jazzbo, 06 March 2012 - 09:01 AM.

[J.A.W.]

It seems some remixing has been done. Mark Wilder did the remastering: credits.

[jazzbo]

In the box set itself, those remixing credits are paired with the original recording engineer credits, and are listed in the credits for the individual lps/sessions. I think they may well represent re-mixing done for the original release, and not necessarily for the box set.

But maybe. Interestingly in all but one instance I think the remix engineer and recording engineer are the same individual.

Edited by jazzbo, 06 March 2012 - 11:14 AM.

[felser]

In the box set itself, those remixing credits are paired with the original recording engineer credits, and are listed in the credits for the individual lps/sessions. I think they may well represent re-mixing done for the original release, and not necessarily for the box set.

BTW, this is the daily special at PopMarket, $44.99 with free shipping, until noon. Grabbed me one.

[djcavanagh]

This actually seems to be their regular price for this so it is still available at $44.99 with free worldwide shipping. I believe that the code FACEBOOK10 gets an extra 10% off.

[Clunky]

it's a nice looking set but I'll stick the Mosaic CD set which is enough for me. Hadn't played the Mosaic set for some time. Spinning Disc 1 I'm really struck by how good it still sounds.

[king ubu]

I fell and caved and ordered... love the live material and albeit owning LP and Legacy CD of it, if there's more, I want!

[JohnS]

I'd love to have the extra live tracks but I have the Mosaic and Legacy cd. Can't really justify the expense.

[sidewinder]

I'd love to have the extra live tracks but I have the Mosaic and Legacy cd. Can't really justify the expense.

That sums up my conclusion too. The LP and CD Mosaic sets will suffice !

[Head Man]

I'd love to have the extra live tracks but I have the Mosaic and Legacy cd. Can't really justify the expense.

That sums up my conclusion too. The LP and CD Mosaic sets will suffice !

My thoughts exactly.

[CJ Shearn]

What exactly was a remix engineer in those days? As I asked about the Dexter set, the booklet also lists remixing credits for each session. Were the original mixes unsatisfactory?

[Rooster_Ties]

Isn't the extra live disc all (or practically all) standards?

I love Woody -- he's near the very top of my all-time-favorites list of trumpeters, maybe 2nd only to Miles -- but I have to confess that his treatment of standards are often hit-n-miss for me.

If the extra disc is all or mostly standards, I think I may have to be content with my Mosaic and the expanded Stepping Stones (which I have both on CD and LP).

Edited by Rooster_Ties, 07 March 2012 - 10:18 AM.

[skeith]

Isn't the extra live disc all (or practically all) standards?

I love Woody -- he's near the very top of my all-time-favorites list of trumpeters, maybe 2nd only to Miles -- but I have to confess that his treatment of standards are often hit-n-miss for me.

If the extra disc is all or mostly standards, I think I may have to be content with my Mosaic and the expanded Stepping Stones (which I have both on CD and LP).

Good question. I can not figure out how to get the track listings from the Popmarket site.
Has anyone figured this out?

[jazzbo]

Disc 3 is the "bonus disc" in the set.

Here's the track list:

It All Comes Back to You
Watership Down
Solar
On Green Dolphin Street
Days of Wine and Roses

The first is an original by Onaje, and I'm not sure I'd consider "Watership Down" a standard,but the remaining three certainly are.

Edited by jazzbo, 07 March 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[skeith]

Thanks Lon!!

[sidewinder]

Watership Down

Would that be Art Garfunkel's 'Bright Eyes' tune? Can't even imagine Woody covering that one !

[jazzbo]

Actually looking at the booklet it's a tune composed by bassist Clint Houston. Not a standard, an original jazz composition.

[JSngry]

As is "Solar", albeit a much more widely played one, and one of much less definitive "original"-ness.

[jazzbo]

Yes, of course. I consider it a jazz standard though I guess, it's played so much.

[JSngry]

It's funny, there's no standard as to what "standard" really means. You got "standards", "jazz standards", "jazz originals", on and on.

And when something gets lyrics..."Stain Doll" falls into all categories!

[felser]

I'd love to have the extra live tracks but I have the Mosaic and Legacy cd. Can't really justify the expense.

That sums up my conclusion too. The LP and CD Mosaic sets will suffice !

The capitalist in me sold off the Mosaic a number of years ago after CBS reissued Rosewood. I figured the rest would be reissued in short order, and boy was I wrong. Same thing on the Larry Young Mosaic.

[crisp]

It's funny, there's no standard as to what "standard" really means. You got "standards", "jazz standards", "jazz originals", on and on.

And when something gets lyrics..."Stain Doll" falls into all categories!

It's a much-misused term. Jazz critics have a habit of referring to any song from outside jazz as a standard, even if it's relatively obscure. Another popular misnomer is "showtune". I'd say a standard is any song that gets performed so often that everybody recognises it.

(Stain Doll? There are some mucky lyrics for that one )

[bigtiny]

I have the Mosaic set, but I caved and ordered this one too. I couldn't resist hearing some of the additional 'Stepping Stones' material. I've always suspected there was more stuff from those gigs lying around, and even with this release I'm betting there's still more. I want to hear it, and I don't care if he's playing standards or not....the Woody Shaw quintet of that time (Shaw, Jefferson, Onaje , Houston, and Lewis) was a nasty, scary, inspiring thing....

bigtiny

[T.D.]

Thanks! Just ordered it, and the above 10% coupon worked.
Strange and hard-to-navigate website, but they have full-length sound samples, which is a real plus.

[John L]

Why can't they market us the disc of unreleased music separately?

[Chuck Nessa]

Why can't they market us the disc of unreleased music separately?

Guess you never took a marketing class.

[J.A.W.]

Why can't they market us the disc of unreleased music separately?

Guess you never took a marketing class.

My thoughts exactly

[John L]

Why can't they market us the disc of unreleased music separately?

Guess you never took a marketing class.

I am not at all sure that this is a smart marketing strategy in this day and age. Sure, there are probably a number of people who will buy this set only because of the single new disc. But I bet that there are a lot more people like me, who would have gladly pre-ordered a single release of disc 3 for $25, but will now wait and download it somewhere for free without any feelings of guilt.

I make a point of not taking free downloads of music that is commercially available. But if a music company wants to play dirty with me, trying to force me to re-purchase music that I have already have, technology now allows me to play dirty too.

[Hardbopjazz]

Why can't they market us the disc of unreleased music separately?

Guess you never took a marketing class.

I am not at all sure that this is a smart marketing strategy in this day and age. Sure, there are probably a number of people who will buy this set only because of the single new disc. But I bet that there are a lot more people like me, who would have gladly pre-ordered a single release of disc 3 for $25, but will now wait and download it somewhere for free without any feelings of guilt.

I make a point of not taking free downloads of music that is commercially available. But if a music company wants to play dirty with me, trying to force me to re-purchase music that I have already have, technology now allows me to play dirty too.

I understand where you are coming form with your statement. I have the other material and can't see buy the same music a second time for the one live disc. But if I stumble upon a 50 dollar bill floating in the wind, I will use it to by this release.