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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:49 AM

any thoughts on this?

"Digitally remastered four CD collection containing all existing recordings made by Cecil Taylor for the legendary Candid label. Produced by legendary jazz critic Nat Hentoff in 1960-61, these recordings are essential to the history of Modern Jazz. Featured are such star sidemen as Archie Shepp, Clark Terry, Steve Lacy, Billy Higgins, and bassist Buell Neidlinger, who was the original leader on half of these sessions. A complete 1961 Taylor septet session produced by Creed Taylor, and the pianist's entire 1957 quartet performance at Newport have been added here as a bonus. Includes 24-page booklet. Solar."

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:21 AM

Isn't it just a rip-off of the Mosaic set with some extras thrown in? In terms of the music I've always enjoyed the Candid sessions but these are still available from Candid.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:24 AM

Public domain release of the Candid Taylor sessions, with additions of tracks from Impulse and Verve. Probably sourced from prior cd releases. My personal thoughts: for me, not necessary.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:18 AM

Public domain release of the Candid Taylor sessions, with additions of tracks from Impulse and Verve. Probably sourced from prior cd releases. My personal thoughts: for me, not necessary.


Correct. This is one of the public-domain labels that don't have access to original sources such as master tapes. Not for me, but others' mileage may vary.

Edited by J.A.W., 13 March 2012 - 10:18 AM.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:26 AM

Also style wins over substance... or as Mr. Sangrey put it: their presentation suggests much more substance than there really is. Not that I know this very release, but I've seen some of them (and bought a couple, too... the Quincy and Mingus Birdland ones were just too good to pass - the Quincy makes a big mess of the liners, though, not quoting and unquoting properly).

Anyway, the individual Candid discs seem to be in print, so there's no need for this crappy set.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:49 AM

Ah...I see.

Thanks.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:51 AM

Yep.

btw the Impulse! session is available on Mixed and the Newport is on on OOP Verve LPR CD.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 12:40 PM

I have all of this.
Anyone find it strange that they use a Contemporary album cover?
Excellent music though.

#9 Chuck Nessa

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:05 PM

AND the Contemporary date was produced by Nat Hentoff but not included!

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

Fabulous music, some of the most exciting piano jazz on record.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 03:42 PM

Clearly I should just fill holes in my collection and skip this.

These little boxes are so seductive, I almost loose my common sense....not that I have a lot anyway.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 03:44 PM

It's not about common sense, it's about self-respect!

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 03:47 PM

This is true. I don't want to do anything I'll feel dirty and shamed about.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 04:33 PM

You could pick up the 5 Candid CDs for $36.13 + shipping on Amazon.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:46 PM

You could pick up the 5 Candid CDs for $36.13 + shipping on Amazon.


Are all the Candid releases included in the Mosaic set? And was the Newport performance part of the "Masters of Modern Piano" 2 record set that also had Mary Lou Williams and others?

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:53 PM

I believe that Candid later released some (2?) takes that Mosaic didn't, for whatever reason.

Yes to the Newport question. Same performance.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:03 PM

Not sure about the Mosaic/Candid comparison - the Candids have 26 selections.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:17 PM

The Mosaic has 26 tracks:

Air (5 takes)
Number One (2 takes)
This Nearly Was Mine (1 take)
E.B. (1 take)
Lazy Afternoon (1 take)
Port of Call (2 takes)
Davis (2 takes)
O.P. (2 takes)
Cell Walk for Celeste (3 takes)
I Forgot (1 take)
Section C (1 take)
Jumpin' Punkins (2 takes)
Things Ain't What They Used to Be (2 takes)
Cindy's Main Mood (1 take)

Edited by J.A.W., 13 March 2012 - 06:23 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:20 PM

The Mosaic has tracks:



So did Fats Navarro and a bunch of folks from his generation. :unsure:

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:29 PM


The Mosaic has tracks:



So did Fats Navarro and a bunch of folks from his generation. :unsure:


Very funny. I inadvertently hit the "add reply" button when I was still editing my post - see my corrected post above.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:41 PM

I thought I remembered Candid finding a cut or two that Mosaic didn't have..or was that with Mingus?

It was with somebody...

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:45 PM

Mingus.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:47 PM

Ah, ok. Thanks.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:47 PM

I thought I remembered Candid finding a cut or two that Mosaic didn't have..or was that with Mingus?

It was with somebody...


'Twas the Mingus.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:58 PM

How many cuts was it, exactly? And what do I have to buy now to get them?

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:57 PM

How many cuts was it, exactly? And what do I have to buy now to get them?


Can't answer that, but I guess the answer would be the Mingus Candids. I had the Japanese Candids but sold them a long time ago when I got the Mosaic, which has much better sound (at least to my ears) than those Japanese CDs. One of the Candids (can't remember which one) had a very weird stereo effect, which the Mosaic doesn't have.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:02 PM

The Mingus Candid Mosaic CD-set has 19 tracks:

Folk Forms No.1
Original Faubus Fables
What Love
All the Things You Could Be By Now If Sigmund Freud's Wife Was Your Mother
Stormy Weather
Melody from the Drums
Reincarnations of a Love Bird (first session)
Vasserlean
MDM
Bugs
Reincarnations of a Love Bird (second session)
Lock 'Em Up
Mysterious Blues
Body and Soul
Body and Soul (alternate take)
R&R
Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams
Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams (alternate take)
Me and You

Both alternate takes were added to the CD set. The LP-set booklet does not list them.

Edited by J.A.W., 13 March 2012 - 08:07 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:49 PM

I bought the LP set, didn't have a CD player yet when it came out...guess I can hunt around and see if I need to buy one or two Candid CDs now.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:53 PM

Not really worth the effort or dollars. You have the meat.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:55 PM

And good meat it is. But from time to time, I'm able to get gravy too!



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