J.A.W. Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 How many cuts was it, exactly? And what do I have to buy now to get them? Can't answer that, but I guess the answer would be the Mingus Candids. I had the Japanese Candids but sold them a long time ago when I got the Mosaic, which has much better sound (at least to my ears) than those Japanese CDs. One of the Candids (can't remember which one) had a very weird stereo effect, which the Mosaic doesn't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) The Mingus Candid Mosaic CD-set has 19 tracks: Folk Forms No.1 Original Faubus Fables What Love All the Things You Could Be By Now If Sigmund Freud's Wife Was Your Mother Stormy Weather Melody from the Drums Reincarnations of a Love Bird (first session) Vasserlean MDM Bugs Reincarnations of a Love Bird (second session) Lock 'Em Up Mysterious Blues Body and Soul Body and Soul (alternate take) R&R Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams (alternate take) Me and You Both alternate takes were added to the CD set. The LP-set booklet does not list them. Edited March 14, 2012 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I bought the LP set, didn't have a CD player yet when it came out...guess I can hunt around and see if I need to buy one or two Candid CDs now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Not really worth the effort or dollars. You have the meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 And good meat it is. But from time to time, I'm able to get gravy too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigP Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Thanks to JSngry, Chuck, and J.A.W. for the feedback. As a Taylor fanatic (and Mosaic LP box owner), I can sleep easy tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 not sure if this is 100% correct (please let me know about goofs and mistakes!) - but I put this together many years ago:Mingus Candid.docTaylor is somewhat more messy/complicated as there's multiple takes and the Candid discs don't always give take numbers. I gave up sorting that out, but this here should answer most questions: http://bb10k.com/Cecil_Taylor/CTcandid.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) As a Taylor fanatic (and Mosaic LP box owner), I can sleep easy tonight! I agree. Not a Taylor fanatic but definitely a fan and LP set owner and I too am sleeping easy over this one. When I saw this one in the shops my first instinct was inner outrage that they would have the cheek to rip off the Mosaic so blatently. Edited March 14, 2012 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigP Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Taylor is somewhat more messy/complicated as there's multiple takes and the Candid discs don't always give take numbers. I gave up sorting that out, but this here should answer most questions: http://bb10k.com/Cecil_Taylor/CTcandid.html Thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Latently blatant? Or blaringly so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 How many cuts was it, exactly? And what do I have to buy now to get them? Can't answer that, but I guess the answer would be the Mingus Candids. I had the Japanese Candids but sold them a long time ago when I got the Mosaic, which has much better sound (at least to my ears) than those Japanese CDs. One of the Candids (can't remember which one) had a very weird stereo effect, which the Mosaic doesn't have. MC used the mono tapes for the Mingus Mosaic set - I think all individual Mingus Candid CD releases are stereo versions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 The Mosaic has 26 tracks: Air (5 takes) Number One (2 takes) This Nearly Was Mine (1 take) E.B. (1 take) Lazy Afternoon (1 take) Port of Call (2 takes) Davis (2 takes) O.P. (2 takes) Cell Walk for Celeste (3 takes) I Forgot (1 take) Section C (1 take) Jumpin' Punkins (2 takes) Things Ain't What They Used to Be (2 takes) Cindy's Main Mood (1 take) Jumpin' Punkins tk #5 was omitted from the Mosaic box - It was included in Candid CD 79034 - Cell Walk For Celeste IMHO the Mosaic box sounds so much better than the Candid CDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 MC used the mono tapes for the Mingus Mosaic set - I think all individual Mingus Candid CD releases are stereo versions The Mosaic only used mono tapes for the pieces on Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus. The original stereo masters were missing. The balance of the set is stereo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Taylor is somewhat more messy/complicated as there's multiple takes and the Candid discs don't always give take numbers. I gave up sorting that out, but this here should answer most questions: http://bb10k.com/Cecil_Taylor/CTcandid.html Checking that link more closely and comparing with my CDs - it seems all of the tracks from the first two sessions that according to the link only found on the Mosaic, are on "Air" (Candid CCD79046) - except for take 5 of "Air", which remains exclusive to the Mosaic set, if I'm correct. Jumpin' Punkins tk #5 was omitted from the Mosaic box - It was included in Candid CD 79034 - Cell Walk For Celeste IMHO the Mosaic box sounds so much better than the Candid CDs That, again according to the site linked above, is just a labelling error - take 5 was a false start, the track labelled take 5 on CCD97034 ("Cell Walk for Celeste") and is identical to take 6 (hence either CCD97034 has takes 4 and 6, and the later is also on CCD79013, "Jumpin' Punkins"). So that leaves one cut ("Air" take 5, from Oct 12) missing from, and one track ("Jumpink Punkins" take 6, once mis-labelled as take 5) duplicated on the Candid CDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Taylor is somewhat more messy/complicated as there's multiple takes and the Candid discs don't always give take numbers. I gave up sorting that out, but this here should answer most questions: http://bb10k.com/Cecil_Taylor/CTcandid.html Checking that link more closely and comparing with my CDs - it seems all of the tracks from the first two sessions that according to the link only found on the Mosaic, are on "Air" (Candid CCD79046) - except for take 5 of "Air", which remains exclusive to the Mosaic set, if I'm correct. Jumpin' Punkins tk #5 was omitted from the Mosaic box - It was included in Candid CD 79034 - Cell Walk For Celeste IMHO the Mosaic box sounds so much better than the Candid CDs That, again according to the site linked above, is just a labelling error - take 5 was a false start, the track labelled take 5 on CCD97034 ("Cell Walk for Celeste") and is identical to take 6 (hence either CCD97034 has takes 4 and 6, and the later is also on CCD79013, "Jumpin' Punkins"). So that leaves one cut ("Air" take 5, from Oct 12) missing from, and one track ("Jumpink Punkins" take 6, once mis-labelled as take 5) duplicated on the Candid CDs. Thanks for that - I stand corrected re tk 5 of Jumpin' Punkins - It does make sense though as I had a listen to the versions last night before I posted & tks5 & 6 did sound very similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 MC used the mono tapes for the Mingus Mosaic set - I think all individual Mingus Candid CD releases are stereo versions The Mosaic only used mono tapes for the pieces on Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus. The original stereo masters were missing. The balance of the set is stereo. Thanks for the correction - I always presumed the whole box was mono - just checked a number of the files with audacity & they are indeed in stereo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Had no time yet to check, but ripping both versions onto the hard disk would make it fairly easy to find out. Also, apologies for the crappy English and typos in the above post - was changing around sentences once too many and didn't double check before posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) So the Candid albums are: The World of Cecil TaylorJumpin' PumkinsNew York City R&BCell Walk for CelesteAir Edited March 16, 2012 by 7/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Jesus Christ! There's an unbelievable unreleased version of *Segment* by Bird on http://halfspeedjazz.blogspot.jp/ and you guys are going on about this ... Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Jesus Christ! There's an unbelievable unreleased version of *Segment* by Bird on http://halfspeedjazz.blogspot.jp/ and you guys are going on about this ... Q I couldn't find it. 5 other pieces by Bird but no "Segment". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 *Diverse* (Damn!) Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Huh? Someone gone unhinged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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