johnlitweiler Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Does he call himself NAB-a-tov or na-BAT-ov? I'll play something from his terrific new album of Herbie Nichols songs tomorrow, Monday, on Zoundz!, 6:30 to 9 pm Chicago time on WHPK 88.5 FM and www.whpk.org. Also, Armstrong, Ornette, Beiderbecke, Jimmy Lyons, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) "We always pronounced it Abernathy". I hope someone gets the reference. Edited May 6, 2012 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I always say NAB-a-tov, but I'll bet it's properly pronounced na-BA-tov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigP Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 However his name is pronounced, the new solo album covering Nichols is indeed tremendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 The Nichols solo disc is next up on my listening pile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 "We always pronounced it Abernathy". I hope someone gets the reference. Yes, although I didn't see this thread until just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) It's na-BA-tov. And [ʌ] for both "a". Edited May 7, 2012 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Like "Na -BOH-kov" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Brown Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 The thing to remember with Russian names is that the emphasis is always on the penultimate syllable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 The thing to remember with Russian names is that the emphasis is always on the penultimate syllable. It's also good to remember that this is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) The thing to remember with Russian names is that the emphasis is always on the penultimate syllable. It's also good to remember that this is not the case. D.D. is from Russia, so he knows what he's talking about. Edited May 7, 2012 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Stresses on Russian names can be confusing. For example, a common last name is Ivanov. But there are actually two different last names spelled this way: I-VAN-ov and I-van-OV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Stresses on Russian names can be confusing. For example, a common last name is Ivanov. But there are actually two different last names spelled this way: I-VAN-ov and I-van-OV. Guys, I don't know where you get this sort of information from. i-VA-nov is not impossible theoretically, but would be a very unusual last name in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Can I assume his first name is pronounced SEE-mone. Stresses on Russian names can be confusing. For example, a common last name is Ivanov. But there are actually two different last names spelled this way: I-VAN-ov and I-van-OV. Guys, I don't know where you get this sort of information from. i-VA-nov is not impossible theoretically, but would be a very unusual last name in Russia. John gets it straight from the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Can I assume his first name is pronounced SEE-mone. You can, but it would be wrong. It's sɪm'ɒn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Stresses on Russian names can be confusing. For example, a common last name is Ivanov. But there are actually two different last names spelled this way: I-VAN-ov and I-van-OV. Guys, I don't know where you get this sort of information from. i-VA-nov is not impossible theoretically, but would be a very unusual last name in Russia. It exists. I know a I-VAN-ov. It is not clear to what degree the correct English pronunciation of many Russian names should have the same stress as in Russian. For example, a lot of Russian names have the stress on the last syllable. Since this is unnatural sounding in English, the stress is often shifted, usually to the first syllable: Tolstoy, Pasternak, Mandelshtam, Gorbachev, Khruschev. Similarly, if we wanted to be faithful to the Russian, we would need to pronounce Valery Ponomarev's name as panamarYOV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) For Д.Д., a bit of history on I-VAN-ov vs. I-van-OV: В XIX в. (по крайней мере в начале и середине века) фамилия преимущественно употреблялась с ударением на а — Ива́нов. Сейчас она чаще используется с ударением на последнем слоге — Ивано́в. Вариант Ива́нов в начале XX века ощущался как присущий дворянству, хотя исторически это далеко не обязательно: есть как дворяне Ивано́вы, так и недворяне Ива́новы. This text says that at least until the second half of the 19th century, I-VAN-ov was the more common pronunciation. By the beginning of the 20th century, I-VAN-ov was often (although not always) used for the gentry, while I-van-OV became more common among the masses. Now, I-van-OV is more common. Edited May 8, 2012 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 For Д.Д., a bit of history on I-VAN-ov vs. I-van-OV: В XIX в. (по крайней мере в начале и середине века) фамилия преимущественно употреблялась с ударением на а — Ива́нов. Сейчас она чаще используется с ударением на последнем слоге — Ивано́в. Вариант Ива́нов в начале XX века ощущался как присущий дворянству, хотя исторически это далеко не обязательно: есть как дворяне Ивано́вы, так и недворяне Ива́новы. This text says that at least until the second half of the 19th century, I-VAN-ov was the more common pronunciation. By the beginning of the 20th century, I-VAN-ov was often (although not always) used for the gentry, while I-van-OV became more common among the masses. Now, I-van-OV is more common. John, I can't say about early XX century Russia, but today if you would insist on being called "I-VA-nov" you would look preposterous (particularly given that Ivanov is one of the most common Russian last names) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Time to listen to some James P. john-SON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlitweiler Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 My enthusiastic review of the CD Simon Nabatov Spinning Songs of Herbie Nichols is now up on the new Point of Departure - http://www.pointofdeparture.org/PoD39/PoD39MoreMoments6.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaro Vega Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 5/6/2012 at 6:48 PM, Chuck Nessa said: "We always pronounced it Abernathy". I hope someone gets the reference. Bob and Ray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted O'Reilly Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Never mind Nabatov...How Do You Say Auf Wiedersehen? ...and Tony Bennett, too. ...and Blossom Dearie. Great tune! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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