JETman Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 I just got the DKV box. It's good but I'm not sure the idea "holds" for seven discs. Not like, say, a 7CD box of Rollins/Ware/Elvin or something. In what way doesn't the idea hold? Do you mean that the trio sounds vastly different from disc to disc? Or that they aren't bringing it with any sort of consistency? To me, the Alchemia set sort of doesn't hold for all of its 12 discs, but I think that's because I'm not sure KV has enough going on to hold anyone's attention for that many discs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Not a Ken Vandermark fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted December 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Vandermark is hit and miss for me, but I like that he's around and does what he does. I find he needs the right context to thrive I love V5-- he has the support of a great band and the compositions are strong. I also like his duos with Paal Nilssen-Love, the Side A trio on Clean Feed, Sonore, and his Delmark album. The recent solo recital Knife in the Water is also very good DKV doesn't do much for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETman Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Not a Ken Vandermark fan. I am, in certain contexts. He's made some interesting albums. Sometimes he leaves me a little cold in the same way that Jeff Beck leaves me cold. I thought that the V5 took a little bit of a dip after FLH joined. The Alchemia set is good in very small doses for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigP Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Anyone heard this yet? Got a dream line up as far as I'm concerned and an intriguing premise Yes, this is nice. Good compositions/arrangements and inside/outside soloing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigP Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Vandermark is hit and miss for me, but I like that he's around and does what he does. I find he needs the right context to thrive I love V5-- he has the support of a great band and the compositions are strong. I also like his duos with Paal Nilssen-Love, the Side A trio on Clean Feed... Pretty much what my thoughts on him. I think his concepts are sometimes more interesting than his actual playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Vandermark is hit and miss for me, but I like that he's around and does what he does. I find he needs the right context to thrive I love V5-- he has the support of a great band and the compositions are strong. I also like his duos with Paal Nilssen-Love, the Side A trio on Clean Feed... Pretty much what my thoughts on him. I think his concepts are sometimes more interesting than his actual playing. I agree with this as well. Another recommendation, this time from Ayler records. I have the first two in this series, volume 4 has been issued before vol 3, but this is all good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIS Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Thanks for this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigP Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just received the new Rogue Art CD Watershed by drummer Dennis Fournier with a mix of European and Chicago musicians, including Nicole Mitchell. Really good! Never heard of Fournier before but he's an interesting composer as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) Well, after going through the DKV set a number of times I actually came away with the feeling that it's solid and consistent. Nothing earth-shattering and a few lame funk breakdowns aside, but pretty strong trio blowing on the whole. I'm not sure if 7 discs is necessary but, you know, I'd say it's worth sampling if you have the opportunity and aren't totally anti-KV. By "holds" earlier I meant holding attention, rather than it being scattershot or anything of that nature. Had vols. 1 & 2 but they left in the big CD purge before I moved (I wasn't totally in love with them, just thought they were "decent"). I might try to grab these again at some point, though. Edited December 17, 2012 by clifford_thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomsMobley Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 >>>> inane and unlistenable Ken Vandermark's life in any possible context, past, present or future-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoHB8RSQ8-0 Vandermark is so inane, such a dead ass emotional and intellectual hack, he's the enemy of sound-- even physics even!!-- let alone "jazz," or "creative improvised music (featuring 'telepathic interplay)" or whatever genre he's trying to glom onto the for benefit nothing but his own desperate worth-by-association shuck. he's not the only one who sucks; I accidentally heard parts of a radio show dedicated to drummer Dave King yesterday and the Bad Plus parts were-- surprise!!-- fucking horrific. wow, these chumps listen to crappy rock music and try to make "jass" from it... swift are the winds life for dummies, eh dipshits? >>>>>> Vandermark + all Bad Plus combined forever and always (to say the least)-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZvieim9lyM Not a Ken Vandermark fan. I am, in certain contexts. He's made some interesting albums. Sometimes he leaves me a little cold in the same way that Jeff Beck leaves me cold. I thought that the V5 took a little bit of a dip after FLH joined. The Alchemia set is good in very small doses for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Not a VDMK fan either ... but I enjoy him quite some on clarinet, and his duo concert with Paal Nilssen Love this year was great ... I picked up this recent album on recommendation of a fan I met at that concert and it's very good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigP Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Putting aside his groups for a moment, some of his best sax playing to date is found on Eric Revis' new CD Parallax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well, don't want it to turn into a V'mark bash thread (we've already got a pretty amazing one of those around here somewhere). Haven't spent time with the Resonance Ensemble music at all, though I may have a couple of things lurking around here under that banner... Caught Jon Irabagon's Outright in concert at Cornelia Street the other day, w/ Jacob Sacks, Eivind Opsvik, Tom Rainey and Ralph Alessi. Very fine music clearly building on Wayne Shorter's classic BN era, with a kind of 21st-century rockist angularity. Admittedly the CD didn't really grab me a ton, but seeing the band work through the music was another story. So I now am going back to the disc to see how my opinion continues to form.Enjoyed Iverson with Ted Brown recently, though that's a VERY different thing from TBP. Iverson was creative, respectful and engaging as a pianist playing the standard repertoire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Got this one yesterday, and it is a surprise. I would recommend this to fans of Jimmy Giuffre's late 50's - early 60's period, the classic Bobby Hutcherson/Joe Chambers Blue Notes, and contemporary Chicago jazz: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Got this one yesterday, and it is a surprise. I would recommend this to fans of Jimmy Giuffre's late 50's - early 60's period, the classic Bobby Hutcherson/Joe Chambers Blue Notes, and contemporary Chicago jazz: I agree. I've enjoyed all of the Klang CDs. There's a new Silke Eberhard / Ulrich Gumpert CD on Jazzwerkstatt that I'm looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Ok - back int he day on another board, there was MUCH KV bashing and some by me - I have never been a fan of the Vandermark 5 despite a pretty damn sincere effort some 8 to 10 years ago to really listen to the band - and the large Transatlantic band is up and down - but I sure would love to see them live - and a trio in NYC in the early 2000's with Paul Lovens and Paul Lytton was close to unlistenable DESPITE Paul Lovens being fucking brilliant. and his efforts through the grant to bring the Brotzmann Tentet to life is priceless - the 2 performances I witnessede of that ensemble in 2000 and 2002 @ Tonic in NYC *remain* the greatest live performances of music this boy has ever witnessed. HOWEVER...I always think that although KV is limited when he gets into it with guys like Mats with AALY despite the pure unadulterated brilliance of the AALY trio with KV - for the naysayers listen to 'Hidden in the Stomach" from 1996 or the transcendent "Live at the Glenn Miller Cafe" from couple of years later - try the opening track (written by Ken) when about 3 minutes in KV launches a riff with energy that is on the level of any free jazz tenorist - DESPITE the fact he is next to the beast of all beast on that same horn - Mats himself. and as far as DKV - I saw the band on 3/27/2001 and while Ken may not have at his best, the actual show was among the 4 or 5 greatest shows I have EVER attended - Drake and Kessler with KV's groove based playing (his strength for sure as miniature improvisations and complex detailed improvisations are certainly not) made for an energy level with Drake playing at his highest level as he always has with that trio made it a night to remember for me those many years later. and the band has 2 recordings - Live at Wels and Chicago (recorded 1998) and Trigonomtry (recorded on 3/24/01 & 3/31/01) that remain 2 of the great free jazz recording of the past 30 years. disc 2 of Wels - specically the last 2 long tracks are genius and thos riffs and melodies shoule be fucking canonized in a faitr and just musical world. Edited December 19, 2012 by Steve Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ok - back int he day on another board, there was MUCH KV bashing and some by me - I have never been a fan of the Vandermark 5 despite a pretty damn sincere effort some 8 to 10 years ago to really listen to the band - and the large Transatlantic band is up and down - but I sure would love to see them live - and a trio in NYC in the early 2000's with Paul Lovens and Paul Lytton was close to unlistenable DESPITE Paul Lovens being fucking brilliant. and his efforts through the grant to bring the Brotzmann Tentet to life is priceless - the 2 performances I witnessede of that ensemble in 2000 and 2002 @ Tonic in NYC *remain* the greatest live performances of music this boy has ever witnessed. HOWEVER...I always think that although KV is limited when he gets into it with guys like Mats with AALY despite the pure unadulterated brilliance of the AALY trio with KV - for the naysayers listen to 'Hidden in the Stomach" from 1996 or the transcendent "Live at the Glenn Miller Cafe" from couple of years later - try the opening track (written by Ken) when about 3 minutes in KV launches a riff with energy that is on the level of any free jazz tenorist - DESPITE the fact he is next to the beast of all beast on that same horn - Mats himself. and as far as DKV - I saw the band on 3/27/2001 and while Ken may not have at his best, the actual show was among the 4 or 5 greatest shows I have EVER attended - Drake and Kessler with KV's groove based playing (his strength for sure as miniature improvisations and complex detailed improvisations are certainly not) made for an energy level with Drake playing at his highest level as he always has with that trio made it a night to remember for me those many years later. and the band has 2 recordings - Live at Wels and Chicago (recorded 1998) and Trigonomtry (recorded on 3/24/01 & 3/31/01) that remain 2 of the great free jazz recording of the past 30 years. disc 2 of Wels - specically the last 2 long tracks are genius and thos riffs and melodies shoule be fucking canonized in a faitr and just musical world. Another "old one" - FJF:Blow Horn (Okka) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 clifford - was thinking about seeing that band @ Cornelia Street - I am hoping you are there this Saturday for Open Loose with Malaby, Helias and Rainey - last time was beyond great - especially the seond set when Rainey destroyed the fucking world. I be there sitting in one of the closer seats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Alas, I'll be back home for the holidays so I won't be able to catch Open Loose. Dang. Got this one yesterday, and it is a surprise. I would recommend this to fans of Jimmy Giuffre's late 50's - early 60's period, the classic Bobby Hutcherson/Joe Chambers Blue Notes, and contemporary Chicago jazz: Just pulled this one out of my mailbox too. Looking forward to diving in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Got this one yesterday, and it is a surprise. I would recommend this to fans of Jimmy Giuffre's late 50's - early 60's period, the classic Bobby Hutcherson/Joe Chambers Blue Notes, and contemporary Chicago jazz: I agree. I've enjoyed all of the Klang CDs. There's a new Silke Eberhard / Ulrich Gumpert CD on Jazzwerkstatt that I'm looking for. Big fan of Klang and I think this new one maintains the standard. Some very nice playing on some imaginative compositions - challenging in a non-challenging manner if that makes any sense at all?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Train Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) A site I use to keep track of the more interesting new releases. http://freejazz-stef.blogspot.com/ Edited December 20, 2012 by Blue Train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankin Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Your link has an error. I think it should be: http://freejazz-stef.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Train Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Not sure what it is, but I can't seem to post any link on here since the change over to the new software....which I think was a step backwards. Yes, that's the link. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankin Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 If you copy the text of a link, the software will post it as a clickable link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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