Д.Д. Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 I agree on Peterson and Sorey, maybe Rainey, but Cleaver (?), Waits (???) as world's best? To each his own of course, but this strikes me as an outlandish hyperbole that even subjective variations in taste would fail to justify. And there are a couple of good drummers outside of NYC too. And maybe we could refrain from grand proclamations about "best", this is not competitive sport after all, and rather talk about "favorites"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Cleaver is excellent. I don't really rate people on polls, but he's up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Cleaver has as wide a range as any drummer is this wide idiom. What he played last December with Steve Baczkowski & Brandon Lopez as compared to what I’ve heard him play with Farmers by Nature (not a favorite trio of mine) or with Mat Maneri and let’s say Ivo Perelman could be wildly different. What I saw/heard at a trio show in 2018 with Tony Malaby, Tim Dahl & Ben Monder was almost Can like. Cleaver used to irritate to no end when he would NOT play in that manner. With some groups or on some nights he could/can become somewhat passive or too subtle. He’s been a long term acquired taste for me over the last 10 to 15 years. Most or at least many of the groups that Nasheet Waits would play in have little interest to me but when he is placed in a position to play his aggressive rolling polyrythmic style with a great bassist/guitarist and a saxophonist like Malaby if Tony is getting to it, there is little like it in this world. Hyperbole??? Not even close again Summer 2018 with Monder & Malaby, the first 30 minute piece of the second set was as great of an energy jazz based drumming performance as I’ve seen/heard live over the past 5 years. Stunning stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 FWIW I’m thrilled to have discussions about actual modern avant-garde and Free improvised music here. It’s too much of a rarity. Would love to have more people join this thread. btw I mention the NY drummers as those are the ones I’ve seen the most. I’m a fan and a listener of drummers from everywhere!! Frank Rosaly and Michael Zerang are another two of my very favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Steve Reynolds said: FWIW I’m thrilled to have discussions about actual modern avant-garde and Free improvised music here. It’s too much of a rarity. Would love to have more people join this thread. Ain't gonna happen. Even in the much more active years, 15 years ago, there were probably 10 people on this forum interested in "freer" music. And now with the board in a zombie mode it's even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 BRAINSSSSS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 Talkig about favorite drummers, here is one: Garth Powell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Random great recording The Mouser Tomeka Reid on cello Filippo Monico on drums Relative Pitch Records 5 improvised pieces a bit under 40 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 On 10/06/2020 at 6:02 PM, Steve Reynolds said: Random do not miss recording Gerald Cleaver’s Black Host Life in the Sugar Candle Mines with Cooper-Moore, Darius Jones, Brandon Seabrook & Pascal Niggenkemper Northern Spy Records I saw them twice (including their first concert in December 2010 @ Cornelia Street Cafe) and they were unbelievably great both times. This recording captures a good amount of that live energy/power which is very hard to replicate on disc being these shows were experienced from less than 10 feet from Cleaver’s drum kit. On 08/06/2020 at 5:41 PM, Steve Reynolds said: Thanks for the recommendation on Sugar Candle Mines! What an excellent album. I've been digesting it slowly over a couple of listens. I like the movement back and forth between the free jazz / improv sections and the slightly more comforting rock / noise sections, which it only really possible because of the amount of subtle power Cleaver is bringing to the table. Cooper-Moore plays some fantastic solos on Gromek (which is the only track I am so-so on) and Ayler Children. I like Darius Jones a lot on it too, with his war horn, so I will definitely be checking out the album jcam mentioned, although today will sadly be a Keith Tippett day, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 New release on Rogue Art: Butcher - Shipp - Lehn "The Clawed Stone". I strongly prefer Butcher solo, I find his paying so complete that partners only subtract. Well, Gino Robair might be an exception. In any case, I might give this one a try. There is an earlier release by this group, "Tangle", on Fataka: https://f-a-t-a-k-a.bandcamp.com/album/tangle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Д.Д. said: New release on Rogue Art: Butcher - Shipp - Lehn "The Clawed Stone". I strongly prefer Butcher solo, I find his paying so complete that partners only subtract. Well, Gino Robair might be an exception. In any case, I might give this one a try. There is an earlier release by this group, "Tangle", on Fataka: https://f-a-t-a-k-a.bandcamp.com/album/tangle I'd be interested to know how it is. I like Butcher on 13 Friendly Numbers but don't have anything else of his. Would New Oakland Burr be a good one to get with Robair? Also, Shipp gets everywhere... Edited June 15, 2020 by Rabshakeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said: I'd be interested to know how it is. I like Butcher on 13 Friendly Numbers but don't have anything else of his. Would New Oakland Burr be a good one to get with Robair? I like this one more: https://limitedsedition.bandcamp.com/album/ls026-liverpool-bluecoat-concert I have heard most of the stuff Butcher has released and 13 Friendly Numbers is still one of my favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, Д.Д. said: I like this one more: https://limitedsedition.bandcamp.com/album/ls026-liverpool-bluecoat-concert I have heard most of the stuff Butcher has released and 13 Friendly Numbers is still one of my favorites. Thanks. I'll give it a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 On 08/06/2020 at 5:41 PM, Steve Reynolds said: I hate music site is back on line thread is Free Jazz/improv albums 2005-2015. I think I have a bunch of posts there. If I can figure it out, I’ll try to copy some of that information for here. I've been trying to find this through Google but have had no success. Would you be able to post a link? Thanks, and sorry to be pestering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 54 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said: I've been trying to find this through Google but have had no success. Would you be able to post a link? Thanks, and sorry to be pestering. http://ihatemusic.noquam.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10466 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Д.Д. said: http://ihatemusic.noquam.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10466 Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 10/06/2020 at 6:58 PM, jcam_44 said: This is an incredible album. Speaking of Darius Jones, Big Girl (smell my dream) is fantastic On 10/06/2020 at 7:56 PM, Steve Reynolds said: Darius is one of the best saxophonists on the NYC scene Cleaver is certainly one of the best 4 or 5 drummers of the current amazing crop of avant-garde leaning drummers(Ches Smith, Tyshawn Sorey, Randy Peterson, Nasheet Waits, Tom Rainey, etc). I’ve been listening to this one too. A fantastic album. I like how Jones’ saxophone stays consistently in the uncomfortable higher range. The rhythm section is great too - so fluid. Thank you both for this recommendation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) The mighty Sarah Gail Brand has just posted a new release on bandcamp with her Deep Trouble trio - Paul Rogers and Mark Sanders https://sarahgailbrand.bandcamp.com/album/deep-trouble I’ll also mention that the final concert from her research project is posted at the bottom of this page. With Beresford, Edwards and Sanders. http://www.sarahgailbrand.net/academic A fine concert even if the recorded sound falls short. You can also read her PhD if you like! Linked from the same page. Edited June 25, 2020 by David Ayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 Re. drummers: for me it’s a matter of having them in the room. Recording can give you a good fix for sure, but presence and impact is such a big part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 On 6/25/2020 at 5:00 PM, David Ayers said: Re. drummers: for me it’s a matter of having them in the room. Recording can give you a good fix for sure, but presence and impact is such a big part of it. Damn do I miss hearing drummers in the room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Nice one by Trio Gusano (Chris Stromquist, Matt Bauder, Shawn McGloin) - a digital release only, it seams: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/73MhsYtlZc9w4LHvy9KiHR Bandcamp (name your price): https://chrisstromquist.bandcamp.com/album/trio-gusano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 35% summer discount on (excellent) Mikroton Recordings label (both physical and downloads) on bandcamp with a coupon summer35: https://mikroton.bandcamp.com/ Mikroton albums are also available on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/search/label%3Amikroton/albums Mikroton website: https://mikroton.net/ Edited July 8, 2020 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Cecil Taylor and Tony Oxley--------Birdland, Neuberg 2011-----------(Fundacja) Recent issue from the Polish imprint. CT seems quite rhapsodic here. Excellent sound for both men with a perfect balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, Clunky said: Cecil Taylor and Tony Oxley--------Birdland, Neuberg 2011-----------(Fundacja) Recent issue from the Polish imprint. CT seems quite rhapsodic here. Excellent sound for both men with a perfect balance. Glad to hear it's good, it's on my list for the next Bandcamp day The one I can't stop listening to and being continually intrigued by is Corey Smythe's Accelerate Every Voice https://corysmythepyroclastic.bandcamp.com/album/accelerate-every-voice 21 hours ago, Д.Д. said: Nice one by Trio Gusano (Chris Stromquist, Matt Bauder, Shawn McGloin) - a digital release only, it seams: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/73MhsYtlZc9w4LHvy9KiHR Bandcamp (name your price): https://chrisstromquist.bandcamp.com/album/trio-gusano Enjoyed this, thanks for posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Д.Д. said: 35% summer discount on (excellent) Mikroton Recordings label (both physical and downloads) on bandcamp with a coupon summer35: https://mikroton.bandcamp.com/ Mikroton albums are also available on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/search/label%3Amikroton/albums Mikroton website: https://mikroton.net/ These all look interesting to me. I’m aware and a fan of many of these people due to my listening to many current and older erstwhile records recordings. are there 2 or 3 that you might recommend as extra special? the first two struck me as exciting as I love Stangl & Dieb 13 and the second one is a larger group including Muller & Weber - both of whom I’ve enjoyed on other recordings. Lo’r & Fracture Mechanics are the other two that piqued my interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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