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#61 jlhoots

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:33 PM

Can anyone comment on the quality of the music?

 

Mine arrived & I've listened through once - found it very compelling. I'm a BIG Bud "fan".

BTW, CD now out of stock at East Wind.


Edited by jlhoots, 12 December 2013 - 04:33 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 06:06 PM

 

 

I don't see the CD you're looking for when I go to the East Wind site.
I'm sure they'll eventually have it.


That was my assumption and why I posted the link.

 

I emailed Eastwind yesterday & received a quick response - they will be getting in copies of this & the new Eric Dolphy CD (Muses) ASAP - were released on Nov 25 in Japan

 

Maximum Rare Records has copies listed (Japanese online dealer - been dealing with them for the past 2 years & service is good plus shipping rates are low)

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3f2cabf26f

 


 

 

I bought this from this seller on 11/29, still have not received shipping notice (or product) and have just sent my second request for an update (or refund if the item will not be available)...what is your experience with this seller's communication?



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:16 PM

 

 

 

I don't see the CD you're looking for when I go to the East Wind site.
I'm sure they'll eventually have it.


That was my assumption and why I posted the link.

 

I emailed Eastwind yesterday & received a quick response - they will be getting in copies of this & the new Eric Dolphy CD (Muses) ASAP - were released on Nov 25 in Japan

 

Maximum Rare Records has copies listed (Japanese online dealer - been dealing with them for the past 2 years & service is good plus shipping rates are low)

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3f2cabf26f

 


 

 

I bought this from this seller on 11/29, still have not received shipping notice (or product) and have just sent my second request for an update (or refund if the item will not be available)...what is your experience with this seller's communication?

 

My copies shipped yesterday (Powell & Dolphy) from Maximum Rare Records - there can sometimes be a delay between purchasing & shipping with this mob but they have always come through for me (including replying to emails)



#64 AllenLowe

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:19 PM

been listening; interesting document; best on it is Phil Woods; Bud is good, his ideas are strong - though it has that stringy lack of definition that characterized a lot of his post 1953 work; the ideas are there and the execution is about 85 percent, I would say; and I always find Bud's musical mind to be the most compelling of any musician in recorded history, at least to my ears. But I gotta say I am a little disappointed.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:21 PM

 

 

 

 

I don't see the CD you're looking for when I go to the East Wind site.
I'm sure they'll eventually have it.


That was my assumption and why I posted the link.

 

I emailed Eastwind yesterday & received a quick response - they will be getting in copies of this & the new Eric Dolphy CD (Muses) ASAP - were released on Nov 25 in Japan

 

Maximum Rare Records has copies listed (Japanese online dealer - been dealing with them for the past 2 years & service is good plus shipping rates are low)

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3f2cabf26f

 


 

 

I bought this from this seller on 11/29, still have not received shipping notice (or product) and have just sent my second request for an update (or refund if the item will not be available)...what is your experience with this seller's communication?

 

My copies shipped yesterday (Powell & Dolphy) from Maximum Rare Records - there can sometimes be a delay between purchasing & shipping with this mob but they have always come through for me (including replying to emails)

 

 

Thanks. Do you communicate through eBay, or is there another avenue?



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see the CD you're looking for when I go to the East Wind site.
I'm sure they'll eventually have it.


That was my assumption and why I posted the link.

 

I emailed Eastwind yesterday & received a quick response - they will be getting in copies of this & the new Eric Dolphy CD (Muses) ASAP - were released on Nov 25 in Japan

 

Maximum Rare Records has copies listed (Japanese online dealer - been dealing with them for the past 2 years & service is good plus shipping rates are low)

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3f2cabf26f

 


 

 

I bought this from this seller on 11/29, still have not received shipping notice (or product) and have just sent my second request for an update (or refund if the item will not be available)...what is your experience with this seller's communication?

 

My copies shipped yesterday (Powell & Dolphy) from Maximum Rare Records - there can sometimes be a delay between purchasing & shipping with this mob but they have always come through for me (including replying to emails)

 

 

Thanks. Do you communicate through eBay, or is there another avenue?

 

both (ebay & direct email - see below)

 

"eBay Member: ftfym65" <ftfym6_evn2758qjo@members.ebay.com>



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:59 PM

Thanks again. I'm holding on with cautious optimism for now, will give it another few days before going full-bore worrisome.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:10 PM

I got mine today from Eastwind.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:18 AM

1) not sure I would spend $30 + for an Eric Dolphy recording that is all over the place for about $1.99; Alan Douglas' work was basically all bootleg anyway (lots of unauthorized release) and just for one new new tune I don't think it's worth it; and there's also plenty of vinyl around of this session.

 

2) the Bud, as I mention above, is disappointing; don't know whether to sell mine or hold on to it as an investment.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:13 AM

Thanks again. I'm holding on with cautious optimism for now, will give it another few days before going full-bore worrisome.

 

Heard from the seller last night....says that he'll ship the item today and send a notice when he does. Fingers crossed.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:08 AM

 

1) not sure I would spend $30 + for an Eric Dolphy recording that is all over the place for about $1.99; Alan Douglas' work was basically all bootleg anyway (lots of unauthorized release) and just for one new new tune I don't think it's worth it; and there's also plenty of vinyl around of this session.
 
2) the Bud, as I mention above, is disappointing; don't know whether to sell mine or hold on to it as an investment.


Agree re: the Dolphy - not about the Bud.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:57 AM

Peter Pullman’s encyclopedic “Wail – The Life of Bud Powell” mentions this session on page 270, with a subsequent footnote:

 

“Levy gave Powell a Monday night to play at Birdland, so that he could record him leading a quintet and issue it in stereo on Roulette. (55)

 

Footnote 55

An early example of live, stereo recorded in a nightclub, the music has great fidelity. Powell leads a quintet with younger soloists - Donald Byrd on trumpet and Phil Woods on alto saxophone. But aside from Byrd, the playing is ragged, and the music will probably never be authorized for issue in a commercial format”.

 

I think the sound is reasonable. I would definitely disagree that the playing is “ragged”. – rather it’s hot and spontaneous.

To my ears, this is great Bud, stretching out on the changes as only he can. It’s also an excellent front line. Phil Woods is on fire and Donald Byrd plays well, although to my ears he perhaps plays one or two choruses too many on some tracks. The rhythm section is also fine, although again personally I could have done with a few less choruses from Paul Chambers (bowing).



#73 AllenLowe

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:38 AM

as I mentioned, it's very decent Bud, the ideas are there, but I do think his execution has that less-than-defined quality that hit him regularly post-1953.

 

recording-wise, the reason this was probably never issued is that the balance is a mess - the horns are way back, for one thing, and the rhythm section is way too up.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:36 AM

Peter Pullman’s encyclopedic “Wail – The Life of Bud Powell” mentions this session on page 270, with a subsequent footnote:

 

“Levy gave Powell a Monday night to play at Birdland, so that he could record him leading a quintet and issue it in stereo on Roulette. (55)

 

Footnote 55

An early example of live, stereo recorded in a nightclub, the music has great fidelity. Powell leads a quintet with younger soloists - Donald Byrd on trumpet and Phil Woods on alto saxophone. But aside from Byrd, the playing is ragged, and the music will probably never be authorized for issue in a commercial format”.

 

I think the sound is reasonable. I would definitely disagree that the playing is “ragged”. – rather it’s hot and spontaneous.

To my ears, this is great Bud, stretching out on the changes as only he can. It’s also an excellent front line. Phil Woods is on fire and Donald Byrd plays well, although to my ears he perhaps plays one or two choruses too many on some tracks. The rhythm section is also fine, although again personally I could have done with a few less choruses from Paul Chambers (bowing).

 

OK, so this does appear to be a bootleg - the owner would currently be Universal (owner of all Roulette material).



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:09 AM

Got mine yesterday.

 

Now about the music:

That´s really a great live recording, I love it !

First of all: Bud really plays very very fine here. I don´t know why so many people keep telling that Bud after 1953 was finished. Here he has made trememdous steps since his somewhat shaky late 1954/early 1955 sessions.

He´s even better, much better than on his 1957 studio sessions for RCA and BN, especially on Ornithology and Dance of the Infidels he really stretches out, that´s vintage Bud Powell.

On "Groovin ´ High".....maybe....he sounds a bit more tentative, but I think he didn´t play that tune often. His "Groovin High" with Zoot Sims, 4-5 years later is done at a slower, more relaxed pace and Bud played the tune again at "Golden Circle" (Sweden).

"Lover Man" is just beauty: Bud didn´t play that tune often, the only other version was done in Paris at the Café BlueNote, but on both occasions he sticks to the famous bop arrangement (Sarah with Diz and Bird). Bud really plays great on that, with some Tatumesque runs.....

 

I like Donald Byrd very much and he´s a great choice here, the ideal trumpet player for such a session. I´m not familiar with Phil Woods work, my natural choice , especially with Byrd would have been Jackie McLean, but that´s really beautiful alto, very much in the Bird tradition, with many of Birds patented licks, but in an individual manner, so Phil Woods really fits in.

Paul Chambers´ bowed bass on Ornithology is fantastic. Chambers and Art Taylor must have recorded together almost weekly for BlueNote during that time.

Art Taylor is really great on that.

I´ve mentioned earlier that he sounded boring on some studio work with Bud, but know I know it´s the fault of the engineers, they didn´t record him properly, and you just can´t play only brushes behind a bop giant like Bud, you have to cook, and exactly that´s what Art Taylor does here.

I´m glad to have a recording where you hear the drummer, I hate recordings where you can´t hear what he does, even if the sound quality otherwise is good.

 

And all those who write off Bud´s later work: Did you ever consider that this man had to play the pianos they usually have in night clubs, damp rooms, bad tuned pianos, the mecanic stiff, you have to face that and if the piano is in sad condiditon, you have to slow down a bit to make it sound.

And: Bud NEVER complained about a bad piano !



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:27 AM

well, he was too drunk to complain.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 04:23 PM

Finally got mine. Was getting a little concerned for a while there - not getting any response from my seller after repeated attempts to contact him. Excellent late period Bud - some of his very best playing of the mid-50s. Amazing to think it has only just now surfaced after so many years. Makes u wonder what else is out there.

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:02 PM

Guess I will bite the bullet!

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:29 PM

 

Thanks again. I'm holding on with cautious optimism for now, will give it another few days before going full-bore worrisome.

 

Heard from the seller last night....says that he'll ship the item today and send a notice when he does. Fingers crossed.

 

 

Never got a shipping notice, sent another email, and received an apology, along with an assurance that the item had been sent as previously stated, and to just hang tight.

 

Well, sure enough, the item has arrived. The seller might have dropped the ball on communication this time, but not on delivery.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 09:38 PM

I thought Bud plays great on the side with Blakey, too.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:20 AM

I thought Bud plays great on the side with Blakey, too.

Well I don´t think anybody would say Bud doesn´t play great on the Blakey side too, but this was 2 years later, after he had settled in Paris.

As I mentioned in my own review, the point is, that Bud during the mid fifties had his bad period, remember his shaky performances late 54 early 55 for Verve . So that 1957 recording is great, a huge improvement, and even better than the BN "Bud!".

 

But if you like to mention "Blakey in Paris", of course this was one of the best examples of Bud back in action. This together with the "Essen Festival All Stars" feat. Hawk , sounds like "the old Bud", for those who always want to compare his later work with his early work.

 

Anyway, even in 1947 Bud had days where he didn´t play up to his best, like on the Savoy sides with Bird. where his fingers seem to be stiff or something.

 

And: It´s great to hear Bud with good hornplayers. I always say there are to many trio recordings.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:25 AM

I think I disagree re: better than the Blue Note recordings. Somehow, to my ears, from all the official Bud of those years, the BN always comes up first! And I don't think this live recording is much of a contender, really. Sure it's different, and yeah, not enough Bud with horns (but then he didn't need no horns anyway) ... but still ... will give it a spin again soon though. Who knows, it might grow on me a bit.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:00 AM

@king ubu: In general, I´d agree that the BN are great recordings, but especially the 1957 "Bud!" .....well, the stride section on "Idaho" is fun, but the rest isn´t so much inspired. The slow blues "Some Soul" sounds uninspired, same about "Frantic Fancies" which is just an improvised line on "Strike up the Band", somehow "frantic"......

 

But maybe, the Birdland 1957 might grow on you. I love his solos on Ornithology, and Lover Man is wonderful, maybe Groovin High a bit more tentative, and Dance of the Infidels is solid.

More interesting late 1957 is on Mythic Sound, a much better version of "Bud on Bach" than on the BN, for example..... ...



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Posted 24 December 2013 - 10:08 PM

New Bud is new Bud. I really enjoy this recording.

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 10:08 AM

truthfully, the last Bud I heard which sounds like the real Bud is some broadcast stuff from '55,  also on the Paudras CDs.



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:43 AM

truthfully, the last Bud I heard which sounds like the real Bud is some broadcast stuff from '55,  also on the Paudras CDs.

 

The "Burnin´in USA" with O.P.and Blakey ?



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 10:42 AM

Allen, why not relax with a taste of N.O. tabaccy and let Bud take you for an aesthetic ride?

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 10:57 PM

I just gave the disc my first listen.  The sound quality is OK, but not great: instruments are clearly recorded, but the horns are mixed a little to the background.  The horns also sometimes sound tentative, not really forceful; hard to tell whether this is the mix, or the players are young, perhaps in awe of Bud, or maybe this was just a slow Tuesday night.  Only Lover Man and Dance Of The Infidels sound rehearsed; the rest sound like a blowing session.  They can't even decide whether they're playing How High The Moon or Ornithology; they go back and forth between the two.

 

As to whether this is great Bud: this is interesting Bud, but it doesn't really sound like a Bud-led session.  Each musician gets equal soloing time within each tune, including bass and drums, so it's not like Bud is really showcased here.  But it doesn't sound like a Byrd- or Woods-led session either, more like a collective.  I found How High The Moon and Groovin' High somewhat pedestrian, but Bud plays some very nice things in Lover Man and DOTI; he takes his solos in some interesting directions.  Phil Woods, on the other hand, is playing a lot of lines I've heard on Bird records.

 

So I'm happy to have it; maybe further listening will reward with new insights.  BTW, it's definitely a boot.  Symphony Sid, at the end of HHTM, tells the crowd this is being recorded by Roulette for a future release; I don't see anywhere on the cover that Universal's given their approval.  Also, it's probably not from first generation tapes, as the music comes from at least two different sets; there was probably more that was recorded that's not presented here.

 

Finally, is that really a picture of Phil Woods on the back cover?  Sure looks like Jackie McLean to me.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:10 AM

Well, How Hight the Moon and Ornithology is the same thing, Ornithology is Benny Harris´line on How High The Moon. Bud starts the theme of "How High the Moon" and the horns play the line of Ornithology.

I also had the impression that the back cover picture looks almost like Jackie McLean. But I didn´t see many pictures of Phil Woods in my live, only later with beard and even later only with moustache.

The question whether this was a Bud-led session is a reasonable one. Well, not "Bud-led", but I think he was the featured artist and they wanted to showcase Bud, playing stuff that he might feel comfortable. Reminds me of "Our Man in Paris", where Dexter also would have used "new" originals, but finally relented to play bop standards since Bud at a later  stage of his career wasn´t wild about learning new stuff.

 

And let´s say Art Taylor is really great on that. And I really love the brushwork he does while Chambers plays his fanstastic arco solo on "Ornithology".



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 09:58 AM

Maybe the aimed for "Tuesday Night at Birdland" or some such ... continuing the series from Roost?



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