mjzee Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 With all of these previously-undocumented alternate takes coming to light, I wonder whether there will be a new edition of the Cuscuna/Ruppli BN discography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 thank you! you're right - we usually think of compilations being more disparate in what they present. by the by, does 'take off' reproduce original lp covers? This (above) is post #689 (which I was directed to above) -- and nothing I'm seeing about Unity, let alone the Unity bonus material. Searching within this thread on "Unity" didn't turn up anything specific either (that I could see/find). Nothing in the 2001 edition of the Cuscuna-Ruppli book either (which I do own). Nor half-a-dozen Google searches for the last 15 minutes. Any specifics that someone could point me too would be greatly appreciated, re: the specific bonus tracks to be included on this new, expanded reissue of Unity. Many thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 In post David Weiss says he has had the Unity alternates for years, but gives no specifics. You could try asking him directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 It's a shame that Universal doesn't list the info somewhere. Why the secrecy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I can tell you that the Unity outtakes I've heard are as spectacular in their energy as they are sloppy in their execution. The record as released was perfect, but if I was hearing the band live, I think I'd be more buzzed about hearing it like is on the alternates. But that's why records and live are so often - and so often correctly - two different propositions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Yes, I really want to hear those alternates too Jim, because they certainly seem like as is the case with the alternates of the Second Quintet contain elements of difference that are worth hearing. I always felt that way about "Fuchsia Swing Song" alternates of "Blues Downstairs, Upstairs", the differing approach and feel to each one is wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I can tell you that the Unity outtakes I've heard are as spectacular in their energy as they are sloppy in their execution. The record as released was perfect, but if I was hearing the band live, I think I'd be more buzzed about hearing it like is on the alternates. But that's why records and live are so often - and so often correctly - two different propositions. Can't wait! Some more raw/energetic/sloppy delight with Woody Shaw is the Andrew Hill session with Sam Rivers from disc #3 of the Hill BN Select. And lord knows there are spots in some of Larry Young's latter BN leader-dates that were kinda rough, but spectacular for their energy ("Contrasts" especially). Between a greatly expanded "Unity", and also "Out To Lunch" -- some of this is turning into a real and surprising wealth of new and important material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 On the alternate of "Hat and Beard", I find Freddie's solo much hotter (if that's possible!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Just killed 30 minutes of my lunch hour doing Google searches using the modern catalog numbers of the new SHM issue of Unity, i.e... Catalog No. UCCQ-5049 JAN/ISBN 4988005850881 That did bring up a whole bunch of other Japanese websites that have the title listed, and I then cut-n-pasted the Japanese string of characters (in Japanese) for what appeared to be the phrase "Unity + 4" into Google, and that brought up even MORE Japanese-only sites... ...a few of which had track-listings (with Japanese titles), but only for the regular 6 tunes on the original release (none of the bonus tracks were specifically listed). Eventually some of these search techniques might bring up something useful (and I figure it's not hard to then see what the bonus tracks are, even if they're listed in Japanese only) -- but, for now at least, the info doesn't appear to be out there yet (not even in Japanese). There are plenty of translators online, or the characters will probably just match the regular titles (if they are just alternates, which I'm sure they probably are). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 all i have is the mcmaster, so i'm looking forward to digging deeply into the shm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 The HD Tracks 24bit FLACs are really good. Much improved over the McMaster, BN Works & RVG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I can tell you that the Unity outtakes I've heard are as spectacular in their energy as they are sloppy in their execution. The record as released was perfect, but if I was hearing the band live, I think I'd be more buzzed about hearing it like is on the alternates. But that's why records and live are so often - and so often correctly - two different propositions. Can't wait! Some more raw/energetic/sloppy delight with Woody Shaw is the Andrew Hill session with Sam Rivers from disc #3 of the Hill BN Select. And lord knows there are spots in some of Larry Young's latter BN leader-dates that were kinda rough, but spectacular for their energy ("Contrasts" especially). Between a greatly expanded "Unity", and also "Out To Lunch" -- some of this is turning into a real and surprising wealth of new and important material. Let me put it this way - Elvin sounds like he's about three feet high off the floor, and Joe is right there with him. Woody not quite as much, but the whole thing sounds like a band just back from a really good break, if you know what Imen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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soulpope Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I can tell you that the Unity outtakes I've heard are as spectacular in their energy as they are sloppy in their execution. The record as released was perfect, but if I was hearing the band live, I think I'd be more buzzed about hearing it like is on the alternates. But that's why records and live are so often - and so often correctly - two different propositions. Can't wait! Some more raw/energetic/sloppy delight with Woody Shaw is the Andrew Hill session with Sam Rivers from disc #3 of the Hill BN Select. And lord knows there are spots in some of Larry Young's latter BN leader-dates that were kinda rough, but spectacular for their energy ("Contrasts" especially). Between a greatly expanded "Unity", and also "Out To Lunch" -- some of this is turning into a real and surprising wealth of new and important material. Let me put it this way - Elvin sounds like he's about three feet high off the floor, and Joe is right there with him. Woody not quite as much, but the whole thing sounds like a band just back from a really good break, if you know what Imen. I believe this description from J was (to me) the final "marketing kick" to purchase the forthcoming SHM-CD.....and as it`s release date is not too far away from X-mas, I`ve found already a reasoning for said acquisition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Unity alternates are 'If' (two takes), 'Moontrane' and 'Beyond All Limits'. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Wow, taking a classic session and making it fantastic!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 And frankly, I'm just as excited to hear that the band is even more energetic / looser on the alternates (even if there are a few warts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I'll be interested to hear your reactions. I still remember the alternates I heard as being different, not that exciting. But I've ordered a copy of the new SHM-CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's been a while since I've heard them, but I recall my very first reaction, I mean, a cold first listen, was damn, Elvin, don't hurt nobody! And then Joe started and I was like, oh shit, it's gonna be like THAT. And it pretty much was! It was all Elvin's fault, that much I still remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefromtheforest Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Poor Elvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I feel sorry for Alfred Lion, having to decide do i want a perfect record that will entrance generations to come or a sloppy one that will scare the shit out of people but still kick everybody's all day all kinds of ass. Thank god, his quandary is finally being resolved. At last he can rest in peace. At least until the angels say, hey Al. what about that Tyrone Washington train.rec.music.bluenote.thing, what about that? Fame is cheap. True greatness comes at a cost. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 some good stuff coming up ... Freddie Roach - Brown Sugar http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCQ-5046 Freddie Roach - All That's Good http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCQ-5064 Art Blakey - Free for All (+ 1 - what would that be?) http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCQ-5047 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCQ-5054 Larry Young - Unity (+ 4 here - again, those are new alternates I assume?) http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCQ-5049 there are many more, but I did some "manual" digging and those are the ones that ended up in my wantlist ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 There was a discarded version of 'Eva' at the FFA session - I wonder if that could be it? Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Well, whatever it is, this was my first Blakey album and still is my favourite - I'll get this new edition for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 some good stuff coming up ... Freddie Roach - Brown Sugar http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCQ-5046 I wouldn't be able to label Roach's "Brown Sugar" "good stuff". Boring stuff might be a better descriptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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