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Miles Davis Complete 1960 Holland Concerts + 4 bonus tracks (3CD)

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This material has been reissued so many times, including fairly recently releases by various Andorran labels. Is there anything that makes this set special?

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Special? Probably that it's a blatant rip-off of the recent Amsterdam set that to my best knowledge was as official as these radio archival releases get?
http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Disco.aspx?id=Amsterdam60

Not sure what "complete" means, but I guess adding the Scheveningen set (another disc) would ... an oft-circulated fine recording - alas Sony feghed up with the big KoB box by only adding one title from it.

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I really hate these PD releases for the confusion they cause. I wouldn't be surprised if some buyers are put off legit archival reissues by the likes of Uptown by shoddy PD issues.

I'd drop the links BTW to be in concordance with house rules

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well, we don't *know* it's a boot (but still we know, don't we?) ... but that's part of their game

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Special? Probably that it's a blatant rip-off of the recent Amsterdam set that to my best knowledge was as official as these radio archival releases get?

http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Disco.aspx?id=Amsterdam60

Not sure what "complete" means, but I guess adding the Scheveningen set (another disc) would ... an oft-circulated fine recording - alas Sony feghed up with the big KoB box by only adding one title from it.

The recent Amsterdam set was nice, but not easy to track down.

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I still don't have it ... but jazzmessengers.com is selling these Netherlands Jazz Archive sets.

That though is the other sorry-assed aspect of those bootleg labels growing faster then some fungus ... they get wide distribution, wider than the original often.

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I feel your pain. :)

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For those people who want to look what albums are available directly from the Dutch Jazz Archive, look here:
http://www.jazzarchief.nl/cd/

Sorry website is only available in Dutch.

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Oh, good! I thought they had to close because the state stopped funding it? I was actually wondering how long these discs might still be around, as I plan to get a few others besides the Miles (the J.J. looks mighty tasty, of course Mulligan with Eardley and Zoot, the Loevendie, the Chet).

And I see there's a Rita Reys one? What's on it?

The Miles isn't in the list though, and the Sassy is missing as well

Here's the link to jazzmessengers.com's page of NDA offerings:

http://www.jazzmessengers.com/en/27832455/complete-catalog-of-the-label-dutch-jazz-archives

Besides the Miles and Sassy, there's discs by Misha Mengelberg, Art Blakey and Lee Konitz/Zoot Sims, too - they all look tasty!

But they don't have the Loevendie ...

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The Miles is on the list. I took the first link away since it looks old and it isn't available through the main page. The one that is left is, so that should be correct.
Here is something said about how they prevented the closing down. http://www.jazzarchief.nl/category/uncategorized/
You can actually visit the place on some days and look yourself. You do have to make an appointment for that, but still.
I'll look whether I can find what's on the Rita Reys album.

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Oh, good! I thought they had to close because the state stopped funding it? I was actually wondering how long these discs might still be around, as I plan to get a few others besides the Miles (the J.J. looks mighty tasty, of course Mulligan with Eardley and Zoot, the Loevendie, the Chet).

And I see there's a Rita Reys one? What's on it?

The Miles isn't in the list though, and the Sassy is missing as well

Here's the link to jazzmessengers.com's page of NDA offerings:

http://www.jazzmessengers.com/en/27832455/complete-catalog-of-the-label-dutch-jazz-archives

Besides the Miles and Sassy, there's discs by Misha Mengelberg, Art Blakey and Lee Konitz/Zoot Sims, too - they all look tasty!

But they don't have the Loevendie ...

The Dutch JJJ disc is very nice. Sound is well balanced if a little dusty. The Miles has better sound.

Oh, good! I thought they had to close because the state stopped funding it? I was actually wondering how long these discs might still be around, as I plan to get a few others besides the Miles (the J.J. looks mighty tasty, of course Mulligan with Eardley and Zoot, the Loevendie, the Chet).

And I see there's a Rita Reys one? What's on it?

The Miles isn't in the list though, and the Sassy is missing as well

Here's the link to jazzmessengers.com's page of NDA offerings:

http://www.jazzmessengers.com/en/27832455/complete-catalog-of-the-label-dutch-jazz-archives

Besides the Miles and Sassy, there's discs by Misha Mengelberg, Art Blakey and Lee Konitz/Zoot Sims, too - they all look tasty!

But they don't have the Loevendie ...

The Dutch JJJ disc is very nice. Sound is well balanced if a little dusty. The Miles has better sound.

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The Miles is on the list. I took the first link away since it looks old and it isn't available through the main page. The one that is left is, so that should be correct.

Here is something said about how they prevented the closing down. http://www.jazzarchief.nl/category/uncategorized/

You can actually visit the place on some days and look yourself. You do have to make an appointment for that, but still.

I'll look whether I can find what's on the Rita Reys album.

Thanks a lot!

And there's the Leo Cuypers, too ... too much good stuff around to keep up!

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What ever happened to the Blakey: Justice 2 CDS???

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Kind of shitty to boot the two concerts that came out of the archive, these haven't to my knowledge been out over and over again like some other appearances and sessions.

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Special? Probably that it's a blatant rip-off of the recent Amsterdam set that to my best knowledge was as official as these radio archival releases get?

http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Disco.aspx?id=Amsterdam60

Not sure what "complete" means, but I guess adding the Scheveningen set (another disc) would ... an oft-circulated fine recording - alas Sony feghed up with the big KoB box by only adding one title from it.

That's the 2CD album Jazz at the Concertgebouw: "Miles Davis - So What " ( NJA 1301) also features the October 1960 concert by the Miles Davis Quintet at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw.
cd+milesdavis+amsterdam.jpg

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Available on ebay for a . . . not terrible price.

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I'll look whether I can find what's on the Rita Reys album.

Page, do you have the book: "Rita Reys: Lady Jazz" by Bert Vuijsje? Bert is a very good (jazz) writer.

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PD, not a boot, as it was broadcast.

The first five tracks on disk 3 are Scheveningen. Which leaves the remaining four, which look to me like Duesseldorf!

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Miles is not on the Duesseldorf tracks. Losin lists three [of the four] http://www.plosin.com/milesahead/Sessions.aspx?s=600328. The sequence of Autumn Leaves/What's New/Moonlight in Vermont, which Losin does not have, features Stan Getz. The disc 3 material is also disc 3 of this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004WJRJJK/ref=dm_rogue_cd

Hopefully after all that explanation everyone is past caring ;)

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Hi king ubu,
this I've able to find out about the Rita Reys album: It is called "I got rhythm" and there are rare recordings on it from the period 1949 - 1961. Some from the 1961 national broadcast by the VARA (that's a television/radio network) with the "Boy's Big Band". That was the big band of Boy Edgar, a famous jazz musician, we even have a prize called in his name. Other recordings are with the "Lars Gullin Quartet" and the "Lind Sextet", some with the trio of her husband Pim Jacobs and with others. You can see which songs and bands here: http://www.muziekweb.nl/Link/JFX3590
Here is a full song to listen to:





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Hi Cyril, no I'm afraid I don't have it. He compiled this cd I see. I'll see whether the library has the book. Thank you for mentioning.

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