B. Clugston Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I thought the same last night, indeed! But what with Wild's entry? Guess if Garrison would have been there, the solo spot would have been his - or it would have turned into a bass duet? On his website where he keeps updates, Wild has Johnson on it and Garrison listed as possible, but the listing hasn't been updated since the album release. The radio hosts only mention one bassist ("Sonny Jackson") and say Garrison wasn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I heard the quartet + Shepp at the Down Beat Festival, the quartet at the Plugged Nickel twice and the new sextet (Alice, Pharoah, Jimmy, Rashid and (probably) DeJohnette, again at the Nickle. The only time I could hear the bass was for solo spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Serious question: could you (or others who describe the live event) "feel" the bass? Or did Elvin's and Rashied's (and Jack's) bass drums took care of that, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 I couldn't feel the bass. I could see it but not hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 yup. He had a relatively light touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Interesting ... and not quite how it feels on record - but then a record rarely delivers the same picture (wanted to say "true" picture, but I guess that depends). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Well it might have been different for someone sitting across the bandstand from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarThrower Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I read about this album in Downbeat. An amateur recording featuring a bunch of so so percussionists, and an uninvited quest musician who took it upon himself to sit in. I believe I'll pass on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) I read about this album in Downbeat. An amateur recording featuring a bunch of so so percussionists, and an uninvited quest musician who took it upon himself to sit in. I believe I'll pass on this. This is why I don't bother with jazz magazines anymore. A bunch of so so unhelpful reviews that put you on the wrong track, a couple of meh interviews, and all this for the price of at least one CD (if imported from Britain or the US). Edited August 29, 2014 by erwbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Here's a review: http://thebluemoment.com/2014/08/24/coltrane-in-the-temple/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I thought the same last night, indeed! But what with Wild's entry? Guess if Garrison would have been there, the solo spot would have been his - or it would have turned into a bass duet? Here's a few questions answered - I've been communicating with Wolf Schmaler (one of the contributors to the Coltrane Reference) over the past year or so regarding all things Coltrane Have you heard the newly released Temple University 2CD set - Interestingly its been released by Resonance Records - I was expecting Hip-O-Select IMHO, sound quality is excellent It’s actually a Verve release, I think, Resonance is a separate company licened by Verve. Don’t know why they organized the release like this. As far as I know all announcements (and the highly interesting discussion after the concert) have been edited out because of Verve and WRTI-FM contracts. Ashley Kahn's notes throw up some interesting points 1. He claims that Garrison was not present (only one bassist) - though there are 2 photos in the booklet of a concert performance (details not given) & both bassists are present Maybe these are from a different location? After long discussions of the question “one or two bassists” in the group the result is: “one bassist only, Sonny Johnson”. Kenyatta – in an interview with Fuji – remembered “Sonny Johnson for sure, Jimmy Garrison possibly”, but aural evidence (Chris DeVito, a former bassist himself) and other sources clearly say there is no reason to assume Garrison was present. The photos: I can’t see two bassists on the second photo. Both photos (middle pages and the second) most probably are from a performance Village Vanguard, December 26, 1966. 2. Confirms Rashied Ali's presence Yes, that seems to be confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Thanks! As I said, I found no info on the source of the photos, so they are indeed misleading!Johnson, in the line-up given, is indeed the only bassist listed. And that does confirm aural evidence.And yes, I found sound excellent as well - much better than I dared to expect for sure! No reason no to get this because of bad sound, I'd say (but I'm pretty tolerant in that respect, after all).As for the "turbulence" ... there's much less of that than I expected. Really, Coltrane is magisterial and he seems firmly rooted and at peace with himself here. Sure, there's Sanders going bonkers as usual, but overall, I found the entire thing pretty ... solemn? Beautiful for sure, strong and beautiful. A stunning release! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I had a CDr of this from some Coltrane list that was rough-sounding but musically very strong; don't know what happened to that CDr but I would like to hear the music again (and file the CD). even if it's lo-fi ("amateur" - whatever that means), more Coltrane is nearly always a special event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Coltrane's horn is well recorded and takes center stage as it should. Calling it 'amateur' might give people the wrong impression after the Olatunji release. It's more pleasant than some of the stuff from the European Tours Pablo box imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 yeah, "amateur" was used upthread and I thought that was unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Has anyone picked up the Resonance 2LP vinyl yet and got any opinions on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefromtheforest Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 To be honest I'm not a huge fan of late-Coltrane live releases...I used to have both the Seattle and Japan live albums but got rid of them because I found myself never playing them. I absolutely adore records like "meditations" and "interstellar space" but for some reason couldn't really dig "live in Seattle" etc. Would be curious to hear samples from this new set to see if maybe my ears are different now haha.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 hah, if only "never playing" was a criterion for not keeping something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefromtheforest Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Haha yeah I hear what your saying but in this case "never playing" meant I didn't even get through the entire album even once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Found the following at the end of the Amazon.com listing, which may explain why the release is on Resonance rather than Hip-O or Verver: Resonance Records, which is a 501 ©(3) non-profit foundation, will contribute a portion from every sale to the John Coltrane House, an organization devoted to the preservation of Coltrane's former home in Dix Hills, New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 To be honest I'm not a huge fan of late-Coltrane live releases...I used to have both the Seattle and Japan live albums but got rid of them because I found myself never playing them. I absolutely adore records like "meditations" and "interstellar space" but for some reason couldn't really dig "live in Seattle" etc. Would be curious to hear samples from this new set to see if maybe my ears are different now haha.. I agree that those later Coltrane live albums can be wearying, but from what I've heard from the Temple University concert, it's really enjoyable. I think it's the best live example of the Alice/Pharoah/Ali era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefromtheforest Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 "Wearying" was the word I was looking for; thanks. I'll be sure to investigate this new set and give it a chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambrasa Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I remember reading somewhere this was the concert where Michael Brecker finally got to see Coltrane, being famously turned away from some club gig earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I thought the Downbeat article was a good discussion and was plainly positive on the topic of Coltrane's new interest in community playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterintoronto Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Finally got around to disc 2 this afternoon. Best enjoyed on headphones at high volume in solitude! Absolutely incredible music. I am a better person for having heard this recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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