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Mike Schwartz

2015 NEA Jazz Masters announced

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Yeah, no complaints or reservations here.

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Charles Lloyd does not deserve it. In my opinion, of course.

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Who does then?

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Who does then?

Ira Sullivan, for one

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It seems like a very good and worthy group.

George Coleman was WAY overdue!!

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I signed the e-petition for George Coleman, why not?

Is anybody doing similar lobbying for Ira Sullivan or Roscoe Mitchell? I'll sign those petitions too if/when they come my way.

I don't think that things like these awards just happen all of sudden in a moment of collective clarity-based whimsy...

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Didn't know there was an e-petition.

How do you get on the list?

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Not sure, but it showed up in my email. I checked it out, saw it was legit, and that was that.

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its like the rock hall, but for jazz- does george avakian dig lloyd? hes in! lol. were not talking of no rock hall till Yes gets in. were not talking of no nea jazzmaster award till they give a posthumous one to hank mobley

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its like the rock hall, but for jazz- does george avakian dig lloyd? hes in! lol. were not talking of no rock hall till Yes gets in. were not talking of no nea jazzmaster award till they give a posthumous one to hank mobley

NEA Jazz masters [and other NEA receipients] are for the land of the living only.

Dems is da rules

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to answer 7/4's question, all of the above; except Lloyd.

Especially Ira Sullivan.

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For me, Charles Lloyd's recordings from the past 20 years push him into the worthy side.

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I have no doubt he is a fine saxophonist; it's just that at the master level I feel it's gotta hit another dimension. I would even question George Coleman, as great as he is.

Edited by AllenLowe

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At the NEA Awards/Broadcast next year you could see a reunion of 3/4 of the Charles Lloyd Quartet circa '66/67 -- Lloyd, Jarrett, DeJohnette.

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I'll have to do some research, but by the standards that arguably ought to prevail, I don't know how many prospective NEA Jazz Masters there are left. Roscoe and Threadgill to be sure. Would Kenny Barron be on the cusp? Billy Hart? De Johnette?

A quick glance at the CDs on the walls gives me at least one name that might be worthy in some eyes and might get in down the road, Pat Martino, and a few names that it might be nice to see there, depending on one’s tastes, but probably will never get in: Lennie Niehaus, Don Friedman, John McNeill, Jack Sheldon, Ted Brown, Marcus Belgrave. Does Cuscana have one? He should. Chuck, too, but that won't happen. Heck, I’d pay good money to see Sheldon’s acceptance speech, which probably would end the NEA Jazz Masters Awards forever.

In any case, time has and is taking quite a toll. And when the NEA gets around to say Christian McBride, I’m outta here.

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Also, here's a list that Justin V posted in 2013. You can cross off those who won since then, and I think that P. Bley doesn't qualify as a Canadian or D. Holland as a Brit..

Saxophone

George Coleman

Odeon Pope

Billy Harper

Joe McPhee

Charles McPherson

Sonny Simmons

Trumpet

Joe McPhee (again)

Bobby Bradford

Tom Harrell

Trombone

Julian Priester

Piano

Paul Bley

Harold Mabern

Richard Wyands

Steve Kuhn

Carla Bley

Ran Blake

Vibraphone

Gary Burton

Bass

Cecil McBee

Buster Williams

Henry Grimes

Rufus Reid

Reggie Workman

Bob Cranshaw

Dave Holland

Steve Swallow

Drums

Mickey Roker

Billy Hart

Donald Bailey

Joe Chambers

Barry Altschul

Victor Lewis

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Add William Parker, Dave Burrell, Hamid Drake and Kidd Jordan to that list.

Fun to do that as the quartet played on the 15th. A strong case can be made for all as well as the above, IMO.

Also add Ray Anderson, Mark Dresser and Gerry Hemingway to the above lists. All extremely worthy of the award.

Fwiw although I am not as large an aficionado of Mitchell and Threadgill as many others are - the reality that those two musicians have NOT been honored is beyond absurd.

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I'm a little lukewarm on the idea of Simmons or Grimes but YMMV.

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