Larry Kart Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 In the Washington Post no less ... and as the writer says, it's not satire: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2014/08/08/all-that-jazz-isnt-all-that-great/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 He even thinks he knows something about Peter Brotzmann "screechy" Ok, whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) I hope all computers crash. This shit needs to end. Edited August 8, 2014 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 I hope all computers crash. This shit needs to end. If I understand you correctly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xybert Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 All i know is these new-to-me Bobby Hutcherson albums are kick arse, I thoroughly enjoyed listening to Sun Ra's Supersonic Jazz this morning, the new Steve Lehman is awesome and i can't wait for Halvorson's Reverse Blue album to finally come out on Relative Pitch in the next couple of months. I couldn't care less what some random has to say, even less so for the ''jazz is all about freedom maaaaan" counter comments. Kill it all with fire. Reading comments on the internet should come with an official health warning. It is the worst possible constitutional on a Saturday morning, or any morning, or night. Please don't misconstrue this as outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeway Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 You sure this isn't satire? I thought this was interesting: "I studied jazz while an undergraduate at Wesleyan University and had the privilege of learning from, at varying distances, some of the genre’s great performers and teachers, including Anthony Braxton, Pheeroan akLaff andJay Hoggard." That "at varying distances" tells me he was not Braxton's favorite student. That he could study at such a school and write such a piece suggests to me some personal axe being ground furiously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I am listening to his former "teacher" with his quartet from 1993 and it is among the most incredibly exciting performances I've ever heard from any era. he even screeches a bit on his horns from time to time. Fwiw, Hemingway's performance on drums is splendidly and thoroughly original and far removed from what any drummer played 30 years before. As is the playing of the quartet. I can think of dozens of performances by multiple bands/ensembles over the last few years that resembled little that existed ten or fifteen years ago. One would have to actually listen to current jazz/improv to comment on the issue with any bit of gravitas. This guys assertion that he was some sort of student is a false qualification if I've ever read one. Composition 69m, baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 This is like the girl who barely looked at you telling the world you're a lousy lay. I mean, maybe you are, maybe you're not, but who the fuck is she to know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 This is like the girl who barely looked at you telling the world you're a lousy lay. I mean, maybe you are, maybe you're not, but who the fuck is she to know? Exactly. There used to be a few people and there still are, I suppose, who were convinced they didn't like any jazz music that wasn't classic jazz. A few of them actually listened to some of the various so-called avant-garde music of the past 40 or so years and a few others have actually gone to see some of these musicians play live - and alas, a few actually liked some of it. You got ears, you gotta listen Don Van Vliet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I don't want to unduly extend this theme, or whatever it might be, but I think it has to do with some semi-silly, semi-ugly free-form desire to mock looking for and finding the permission it needs. That was the source, I'm pretty sure, of the original D. Gold "satire" -- select something that looks like a sacred cow (Rollins, I know, is a "someone," but here he's a stand in for a "something") and characterize it as a self-important s--- machine. The author of this Washington Post piece (and/or the editors who may have elicited it) simply goes Gold one better (or worse) by playing it straight (and stupid). I could take a guess about where some of this stems from -- is it an oblique latter-day offshoot of the whole solemn Marsalis-Crouch The Great God Jazz is Freedom Embodied theme, with an order of "Jazz is America's Classical Music" on the side? If so, I see this, oddly enough, not as an injury but an opportunity. Know-nothing arbiters of cheesy hipness say we're not hip? Fine -- let's give up on whatever remains of that miles-overripe stance toward the rest of society while we continue to pay whatever kind of good supportive attention to the music we admire that we are willing and able to. Above all -- and maybe this just me, but it feels right strategically -- I would advise lightening up on angry letters to the editor and so forth. To me this is a classic circling piranhas scene. Show them blood, and it's feeding time until boredom sets in or there's nothing left to eat. Remove one's limbs from the water, and it stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 You "unduly extended this theme." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Guilty as charged, literally, but I did so in an attempt to end it, as in "Remove one's limbs from the water, and it stops." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 You "unduly extended this theme." Guilty as charged... Geez, Larry, listen to some Webern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I'm working on an article about this ridiculousness for my personal blog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Another telling phrase from that article: I appreciated that these generous African American men deigned to share their art at a quite white New England liberal-arts school. But I just didn’t get their aesthetic. Thanks for your attempt to explanation of this whole thing, Larry - makes a lot of sense what you say! This guy definitely shares the narrowness of conception and thinking that the Crouch/Marsalis gang is so good at. Some of his points are so clueless, his premisses so far off the mark - it's pathetic. I'd be ashamed to publish something like that (but then I wouldn't and this dude wouldn't know, so really, there's no point in discussing this much furthre). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I don't want to unduly extend this theme ... Still, you seem to be trying pretty hard, Larry. Watch your blood pressure. Nobody cares. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yes, some care. But others seem to be unable to grasp why that is and keep proclaiming there superiority that they thinketh lieth tehrein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS I played golf with Nordine once. Very nice guy, terrible golfer.anton webern grave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 bitter former student who failed, he didn't get it. sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 bitter former student who failed, he didn't get it. sheesh! *dingdingdingdingding* And we have a winner. Here are the only two lines from that idiocy that are of any importance. 1. "What does this reset look like? I have no idea." Right, so how about you simply shut the fuck up. 2. "My flirtation with jazz was inglorious and short." Thank you and goodnight, Mr. Crouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uli Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIg4xjAy8QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 anton webern grave Ah, I see! How does this fit into things, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 anton webern grave Ah, I see! How does this fit into things, then? Not sure. Maybe they cut him into pieces and buried them all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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