erwbol Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yes, this sample of Cool Blues is much improved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 It sounds a lot better now, indeed .... on my ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 yes, I am getting this. Particularly for the Dodo and the Sonny Berman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 though I am going to say, after listening to the samples on the site I am worried about the drums on Cool Blues; it's weird, but sounds like digital artifact; I'll have to listen to another source tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) I'm gonna have to say, after running downstairs and listening to the Savoy - Complete Dial and Sony masters that I will probably stay away from this unless it can be explained why the drums are such a mess on Cool Blues on the Mosaic, whereas they are absolutely fine on the Complete Dial and Sony Masters; I also, btw, hear this strange digital artifact response on the Dexter Gordon that's on the web site. I have a feeling that, if these are what JLH had to work with, someone did some real (processing) damage before he got to them. though it is possible these are just the compressed files; but that really should not cause this kind of thing. Edited October 8, 2014 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingItTrev Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 The faulty sound samples on the Mosaic site (http://www.mosaicrecords.com/prodinfo.asp?number=260-MD-CD)have been replaced with corrected versions. They sound pretty darn good to me. Nope, still has prominent digital artefacts to my ears. I don't know enough about the process involved, but it sounds consistent with working with low bitrate transfers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Nope, still has prominent digital artefacts to my ears. I don't know enough about the process involved, but it sounds consistent with working with low bitrate transfers. Low bitrate for samples put online only? Hopefully so. Because if used for the actual remastering, then - OUCH! But I think this will be impossible to be settled before one has heard an actual set as released. Afterthought: @Allen Lowe: I have not listened to the respective online sampes but since you initially said you were going to get this for the Dodo: What is so bad (comparatively speaking) about the Dodo recordings on that Spotlite LP? I am not a musician nor a sound engineer nor did I ever care to find out what would be technically possible in the digital age but that Dodo LP has been spun countless times here and within the way I tend to listen to 78rpm-era reissues I overall cannot fault it for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 The Dodos are decent but I am assuming that they will be improved on this as the sources appear to be better; or maybe not. At this point I am not sure what I am going to do; if I can be reassured that the box will not have what has been discussed above, I may pick it up. Not sure yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 The expert views are making me cautious There does seem to be some reticence about what sources were used. Hm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) yeah, as I said, my main concern is the way those samples on the site have the tell-tale weird digital compression/gurgle/artifacts; it's a lot of money for me, and I would feel better if I knew what the finals sounded like - JLH around? Edited October 8, 2014 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Yes, what are they using as the masters? When the Ella/Chick Webb box came out, Mosaic was very forthcoming about the provenance, admitting that some tracks came from prior CDs. At least we knew. How about now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 yeah, as I said, my main concern is the way those samples on the site have the tell-tale weird digital compression/gurgle/artifacts; it's a lot of money for me, and I would feel better if I knew what the finals sounded like - JLH around? JLH weighed in about that track above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 yeah, as I said, my main concern is the way those samples on the site have the tell-tale weird digital compression/gurgle/artifacts; it's a lot of money for me, and I would feel better if I knew what the finals sounded like - JLH around? JLH weighed in about that track above. Yes, but ultimately that doesn't tell all that much as far as I can see: Edit: Jonathan, I just saw your comment on this thread, thanks!... I don't know what sources you used for this transfer, but are they that quiet that the Parker samples on the Mosaic website have no discernible background noise?.. ... I found some sound samples online from the Fremeaux Charlie Parker edition, and in particular the "Cool Blues" one does have more top end to the cymbals sound. Also I hear more distortion, probably because they did not work from pristine copies. Thanks. The sources we used were from Mosaic as provided. I won't go into details ... Not taking sides in this debate, just wondering (and being puzzled ...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I might get shot down for saying, but there's always bittorrent to try the new CDs in FLAC before placing an order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) I was thinking of this post where he talks of the sound I think Allen is calling a digital artefact: Edited October 8, 2014 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Overall the samples on the Mosaic website sound incredibly clear to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bichos Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 what about the "i wished on the moon" track from the earl coleman / fats Navarro session from November 48? still missing (but exist!!) Keep boppin´ marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) there is a lot of very nice clarity on those site samples, on the horn - but whatever is going on with the drums is not going on in other sources I have. Once again I don't know if that's what the finished product will sound like, but it's too much money for me not to be certain; especially when I have a lot of the Dial from other acceptable sources (and the Garner I can do without; his solo playing from this era is a bit florid). Edited October 8, 2014 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 what about the "i wished on the moon" track from the earl coleman / fats Navarro session from November 48? still missing (but exist!!) Keep boppin´ marcel wow, yeah. Didn't even make it on to the Bebop Revisited album that collected the rest(?) of the session. Regarding source materials, here's some perhaps interesting reading for people such as myself who don't really know the full back story of Dial's post-78 progressions/possessions: http://books.google.com/books?id=m8NNXtuFeukC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=dial+ethnic+series&source=bl&ots=zaJ880-Uhq&sig=ddidZcXDl4HcNUx0Y7ndnJYcWD4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bq41VP3FGZKuyASq9oGwBw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dial%20ethnic%20series&f=false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 (and the Garner I can do without; his solo playing from this era is a bit florid). What are the estate rights surrounding Garner these days? I know the estate blocked a full-scale Mosaic but here he is on the Dial set and he was on the Piano Moods set as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bichos Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 what about the "i wished on the moon" track from the earl coleman / fats Navarro session from November 48? still missing (but exist!!) Keep boppin´ marcel wow, yeah. Didn't even make it on to the Bebop Revisited album that collected the rest(?) of the session. Regarding source materials, here's some perhaps interesting reading for people such as myself who don't really know the full back story of Dial's post-78 progressions/possessions: http://books.google.com/books?id=m8NNXtuFeukC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=dial+ethnic+series&source=bl&ots=zaJ880-Uhq&sig=ddidZcXDl4HcNUx0Y7ndnJYcWD4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bq41VP3FGZKuyASq9oGwBw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dial%20ethnic%20series&f=false according to the book "the Music and life of theodore fats Navarro-infatuation" by leif bo petersen and Theo rehak (lanham 2009) there exist two takes of "i wished on the moon"; one take of "guilty"; two takes of "yardbird Suite"; one take of "a stranger in town"; two takes of "as time goes by" and two takes of "move". all the alternates and the wished on the moon takes are on 10-inch test "play-back" Studio lacquer discs in a privat collection. love to hear this! there is so much out there...... Keep boppin´ marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 I'm wondering what is the overall verdict. If the sound is crappy, I may want to cancel the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 I'm wondering what is the overall verdict. If the sound is crappy, I may want to cancel the order. Allen seems to have the only dissenting voice since the samples were replaced. The drums sounded good to me. If you don't like it, you can always send it back. gregmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingItTrev Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Allen seems to have the only dissenting voice since the samples were replaced. The drums sounded good to me. If you don't like it, you can always send it back. I also agree with Allen. Something is amiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) been busy listening to my various DIals; including boots, stuff from odd Euro lables, Fresh sound, etc. Will Probably stick with what I got until I can hear something actually issued. I hate to deal with returns. The Sonny Berman stuff is some of my favorites, too. Will have to see. Edited October 13, 2014 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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