Larry Kart Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Picked up today at Half-Price Books a Euro-zone 4-CD compilation of 6 Booker Ervin LPs, some of which I already have, enough of which I don’t. First one I listened to is the 1960 Bethlehem album “The Book,” with Tommy Turrentine, Zoot Sims, Tommy Flanagan, George Tucker, and Dannie Richmond. The leader, as well as Turrentine, Tucker and Richmond, have much to do with shaping the rather dark, blunt, urgent tone of the date, but what surprised me (I must have heard the album back in the day but not since then) is how beneficial that hard bop with Mingus trimmings atmosphere is to Zoot, who plays with much intensity and attention to detail. A pleasant surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I hear what you're saying, but Zoot could play, now. Refresh on that Loft Jazz thing, the jam sessions. Dude had no shortage of detail there. I think a lot of times he "coasted" in a Sonny Stitt type high-level way, but like Stitt, when he felt like it....up several gears, or more, ya' know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 yeah, the Bethlehem is good. Zoot's recordings for UK Fontana in the early '60s (done at Ronnie Scott's) are also very intense and very fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Not that it matters, but it's kinda funny to see our two esteemed moderators ignoring the "no links to boots" rule But yeah, I've enjoyed that album for quite some time, bought it when there was this Rhino/Avenue Jazz series of Bethlehem reissues, discussed on the old BNBB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Not that it matters, but it's kinda funny to see our two esteemed moderators ignoring the "no links to boots" rule Yeah, considering how much flak this exact reissue series got from the keepers of the grail around here when it was first discussed (in connection with Gigi Gryce, for example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Not that it matters, but it's kinda funny to see our two esteemed moderators ignoring the "no links to boots" rule But yeah, I've enjoyed that album for quite some time, bought it when there was this Rhino/Avenue Jazz series of Bethlehem reissues, discussed on the old BNBB. Oops, sorry -- link removed. I was focused on the one thing and forgot about the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Not sure these EuroPD AudioPorn Collections Of Xeroxed Grampa Playboys count as bootlegs, although I am sure that they count as EuroPD AudioPorn Collections Of Xeroxed Grampa Playboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 although I am sure that they count as EuroPD AudioPorn Collections Of Xeroxed Grampa Playboys. Which ain't worse than many of those US-born Boris Rose (??) 70s LP reissues of swing-era jazz (you know, "In Disco order ..." etc.) . They fill a gap in the market by including long-unreissued CDs in a package that (even if you have 4 easily available ones out that total of 6, for example) makes it worthwhile buying the set at that low price for the remaining two. if only to throw them in the car CD player. And they are in better sound quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I have no qualm with people meeting their porn needs, as long as it's between consenting adults. However, the escalating tendency of so many people in general to pay for damn near anything has me thinking the Ebola might yet end up serving a constructive purpose. What we won't do for ourselves, nature will do for us. Porn will always exist, but bad porn should only exist as a failed last (or first) resort. It shouldn't become the industry standard. But people and their genitals, fools and their money, same old same old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nobody needs everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nobody needs everything. Well, maybe, but everybody is entitled to everything ... uhm, wait ... As for boots or not, I don't want to stir up anything here, it was just my observation that many times links to such euro PD releases were removed, so I felt like making a smartass remark. Either way, that Booker Ervin album is worth hearing! The recent Japanese edition seems to be around at acceptable prices: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Cooks-Booker-Ervin/dp/B00B2KDD0Q/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nobody needs everything. As for boots or not, I don't want to stir up anything here, it was just my observation that many times links to such euro PD releases were removed, so I felt like making a smartass remark. No problem -- you were right to point that out IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is that "Metronome Presents..." album the same as "Sounds of Inner City" that was around on TCB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is that "Metronome Presents..." album the same as "Sounds of Inner City" that was around on TCB? Per below, the answer seems to be that the music comes from the same MOMA concert, but "Sounds of the Inner City" lacks the "Take Three Parts Jazz" suite and "Embraceable You," and the performances on "Sounds of the City" are edited in some manner. OTOH, the compilation I bought does not include "Stardust" from the MOMA concert, darn it. May have "Sounds of the City" with "Stardust (albeit edited) on LP though. The Teddy Charles New Directions Quartet Plus Booker Little (trumpet) Booker Ervin (tenor saxophone) Teddy Charles (vibraphone) Mal Waldron (piano) Addison Farmer (bass) Ed Shaughnessy (drums) "The Museum Of Modern Art", NYC, August 25, 1960 Scoochie Warwick W 2033 Cycles - Embraceable You - Blues De Tambour - Stardust - Take 3 Parts Jazz Suite: Route 4 / Byriste / Father George - The Confined Few - same session Scoochie (edited version) (Souchie) TCB LP 1003 Cycles (edited version) - Stardust (edited version) - The Confined Few (edited version) - Blues De Tambour (edited version) (Blues De'Tambour) - * Warwick W 2033, W 2033 ST The Teddy Charles New Directions Quartet - Metronome Presents Jazz In The Garden At The Museum Of Modern Art* TCB LP 1003 Booker Little And Booker Ervin - Sounds Of Inner City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 The Warwick is where it's at. Great record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I was inspired by this thread to pull out That's It! and was struck by how much Booker sounded like Fred Anderson in places. Not all places, of course, but some. Being the sole horn on the date gives him a lot of room to stretch out which lets him spin some very long lines. But yeah, if I was in the other room I could easily mistake a bit of this for The Missing Link. Also a big fan of the Bethlehem album in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Hmm. I hadn't thought about that before but will be curious to chase down that road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 After listening again I really do hear it on the A-side; the B is a bit more "conventional". But their tones are surprisingly similar and Booker plays with a lot of repetition, as well as with that paradoxical urgent languidity Fred has. But maybe I just listen to a lot of Fred!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Listened to the Bethlehem fairly recently and it's a very good one. Edited October 3, 2014 by paul secor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) I've always been a fan of "The Book Cooks" on Bethlehem (which is what my copy is called). Of course, I love the blues and this disc has several great ones, particularly the opening "The Blue Book". I remember having to search for this CD for many years and finally paying quite a bit of money for it. Even paying more than I should, I've never been disappointed in the purchase. Edited October 3, 2014 by Kevin Bresnahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I've bought it several times! The most recent one on Solid sounds really good to me on my system. It's a cool band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I had the original LP, and now have it on CD. Haven't heard it in quite some time and need to listen to it again soon. To be honest, I don't recall how Zoot sounds here compared to Booker. Another session where both Zoot and Al Cohn play with hard bop tenor players (Coltrane and Mobley) is Tenor Conclave on Prestige. On that one Both Zoot and Al played ok, but seemed a bit "outgunned" by the 2 hard boppers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Is that "Metronome Presents..." album the same as "Sounds of Inner City" that was around on TCB? Per below, the answer seems to be that the music comes from the same MOMA concert, but "Sounds of the Inner City" lacks the "Take Three Parts Jazz" suite and "Embraceable You," and the performances on "Sounds of the City" are edited in some manner... Edited indeed. All of Teddy Charles' solos were cut. IIRC, he isn't credited at all on the TCB reissue. Here's the press release for the concert: "Final Jazz In The Garden Concert" Edited October 4, 2014 by sonnymax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I processed the Jazz in the Garden flyers/posters/etc. in 2001 while interning at the MoMA after undergrad. Fun times. Never had the TCB issue of the material, so I'm actually shocked they fucked it up so royally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 That's not the TCB by Peter Schmidlin, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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