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Free jazz that swings

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I did a search through Google and couldn't find any threads on this. I'm looking for some free jazz that "swings". I realize this is subjective, but I have an open mind and will go with your interpretation.

Some examples for me that swing- Air's Air Time, Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz, This Is Our Music, Don Cherry's Complete Communion. Julius Hemphill Dogon AD, Horace Tapscott The Giant Is Awakened, Sonny Rollins East Broadway Run Down. These are just some off the top of my head.

Thumbs up to Homefromtheforest for giving me the idea to start this thread :tup (from discussion on another site).

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You might try Vandermark 5. A lot of Vandermark's music (not just the V5) is groove-based, which might fit what you are looking for.

Some other groups to check out: Atomic, and The Thing.

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The William Parker quartet and Fred Anderson come to my mind immediately.

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Most things by The Blue Notes and The Brotherhood of Breath.

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you will find that a lot of my stuff meets the criteria: www.allenlowe.com

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The most recent Sam Rivers Moaaic Select (his Florida big band), swings like mad! Same with tr group's only other (and earlier) release, "Aurora".

Like if Arnold Schoenberg were writing for big band, backed by James Brown's rhythm section.

Highest recommendation!!

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Most of Steve Reid's 70s albums as well as Charles Tyler's records with Steve Reid are some other examples in my opinion...I guess Reid's drumming has more of a "rock" then "swing" feel but overall my foot gets tapping when I hear these albums!

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Not quite the same topic, but some good recs in this thread:

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Lots of dutch jazz: ICP Orchestra, Clusone 3, Available Jelly, Eric Boeren 4tet, Tobias Delius 4tet, Sean Bergin's Mob, Ab Baars Trio

From Chicago: Jason Adasiewicz's Sunrooms, Mike Reed's People Places & Things and Loose Assembly, Jason Stein Quartet, Rempis Daisy Duo, Nick Mazzarella Trio, Josh Berman's Gang

Roscoe Mitchell & The Note Factory

Mal Waldron Quartet/Quintet, both the 70s iteration with Lacy & Schoof, and the 80s groups with Rouse & Shaw or Jim Pepper

Max Roach groups with Bridgewater & Harper

Myra Melford's Trio, Extended Ensemble, Crush, The Same River Twice

Gerry Hemingway Quintet

Steve Lacy Trio & Quartet

Jemeel Moondoc small groups & Jus Grew Orchestra

Nu Band

Thomas Borgmann Trio

Thomas Chapin Trio

Jim Hobbs' Fully Celebrated Orchestra

Roy Campbell Pyramid

David Murray Octet & Quartets

Marty Ehrlich's Rites Quartet

Nate Wooley Quintet

So many more. I hasten to label this music "free jazz" AFAIC anyone who appreciates any kind of modern jazz could enjoy this music-- it holds all the same properties.

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Interesting topic for me.

I would add Michiel Braam's larger groups to the Dutch recs, especially the album "Growing Pains".

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Oh man, Painter's Spring! Quite possibly the hardest swinging Free Jazz album of all time! Very, very highly recommended.

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Another previous topic I started a few years ago...

"Avant-Grease & Mixed-Meter Boogaloo: brainy stuff"

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and this as well, at least in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72SVN9sO4P4

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Also, Ornette's 1979 album "Of Human Feelings" swings like mad, in my book. (My favorite 70's Ornette.)

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This is my sweet spot. First disc I thought of is Exploding Customer, Live at Glenn Miller Cafe.

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What is swing?

What is free jazz?

peace and blessings

EXACTLY! I have nowhere near the expertise in free improv you do, but so much of it is killing without swinging in the "conventional" sense, like the new Jack album or "Espiritu" by Bendian/Cline.

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For pure groove based (rather than saying "swinging" since well you know the rathole that discussion can go down) free jazz, the above recommendation for Exploding Customer's first release hits my sweet spot as well

For me, here are some recordings that demand to be heard:

AALY Trio + Ken Vandermark: Live @ The Glenn Miller Cafe

Any DKV trio discs - Live in Wels/Chicago and/or Trigonomtry - then if you love the band - either of the recent box sets on not two records

Clusone Trio: I am an Indian

Trio 3: Live in Willisau (1992) still the finest recording from Lake, Workman & Cyrille

David Murray Octet: Ming - powered by the great Steve McCall

BassDrumBone: March of Dimes

Gerry Hemingway Quintet: Special Detail - I chose the earliest hatART recording as it is the most rambunctious and teetering on madness.

William Parker Quartet: O'Neal's Porch - or go directly to the fairly recent 8 CD Wood Flute Songs box which captures the same quintet down the road by 5 to 10 years in various live performances augmented by more musicians on 4 of the 8 discs. Worth way more than the $60 or so it takes to buy it.

Edited by Steve Reynolds

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