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Hey, I can I.D. two of them! Wonders never cease!

1-1 After the manner of Donald Byrd/Pepper Adams, right down to the Lex Humphries-ish drummer, though it’s not them. Loving the walking bass/splashy cymbals rhythm. The bari wins solo honors for me. I own so very much of this sort of thing on Blue Note/Prestige/Riverside, etc.

1-2 Vinyl rip. One of those so-tasteful Kenny Burrell type guitar players.

1-3 Like this a lot. Reminds me some of the McCoy Tyner “Echoes of a Friend” solo album , which I’ve always loved, though this feels a little more academic, and also some of the Keith Jarrett solo stuff, but less abstract. Muhal Abrams has done some things like this, including the incredible “Young at Heart”. Would like to pick this up if I don’t already own it.

1-4 “Jumpin’ at Woodside” and that certainly sounds like Coleman Hawkins or someone greatly indebted to him. Have to enjoy the pianist.

1-5 A Gene Harris-ish blues.

1-6 A non- Gene Harris-ish blues.

1-7 “You Can’t Sit Down”, Phil Upchurch 1961. Reached #29 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1961. You wander into 60’s pop music, you risk me actually correctly ID’ing stuff, rather than my usual “sounds sorta like” shtick.

1-8 On the other hand, if you then wander into 40’s-50’s jump blues, I’m back to “sounds sorta like” at best. Sounds sorta like Louis Prima, but not him.

1-9 “It Should Have Been Me”. I know this song by Ray Charles, and like this version quite a bit. Sounds sorta like Frankie Lymon.

1-10 “Sister Sadie” Horace Silver Quintet from ‘Blowin The Blues Away’. Great stuff, of course.

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Hey, I can I.D. two of them! Wonders never cease!

1-3 Like this a lot. Reminds me some of the McCoy Tyner “Echoes of a Friend” solo album , which I’ve always loved, though this feels a little more academic, and also some of the Keith Jarrett solo stuff, but less abstract. Muhal Abrams has done some things like this, including the incredible “Young at Heart”. Would like to pick this up if I don’t already own it.

Glad to hear that you enjoyed this - I don't expect anyone to know the artist but I included this in hopes that I'd hear

"Would like to pick this up if I don’t already own it. "

1-4 “Jumpin’ at Woodside” and that certainly sounds like Coleman Hawkins or someone greatly indebted to him. Have to enjoy the pianist.

1-7 “You Can’t Sit Down”, Phil Upchurch 1961. Reached #29 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1961. You wander into 60’s pop music, you risk me actually correctly ID’ing stuff, rather than my usual “sounds sorta like” shtick.

And to think I picked this with the absent MG in mind, and Felser gets one. I really wasn't sure how well known it was but if John can get it ... ;) By the way, two recognizable jazz players are on this, the leader of course and someone else.

1-9 “It Should Have Been Me”. I know this song by Ray Charles, and like this version quite a bit. Sounds sorta like Frankie Lymon.

Not Frankie Lymon. Will be interesting if someone knows this. If it doesn't get revealed, people will be surprised!

1-10 “Sister Sadie” Horace Silver Quintet from ‘Blowin The Blues Away’. Great stuff, of course.

Well you got the tune but it's live, not from the LP and not by the quintet.

Thanks

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DISC 1

1. Sounds like a newer thing in the style of a mid-60's Blue Note session. Trumpet solo sounds very Lee-inspired. Bass is a little too up front in the mix for me

2. Nice recording. Concord? My initial (opening bars) impulse is that this sounds like Ron Eschete', with added circumstantial evidence that he has worked with Gene Harris. :) Now that I'm hearing an upright bass… hmm… Ron usually works with an electric (6-string) bassist. Hmm…. I'm not gonna commit yet.

3. Okay, I know you're posting this thread on April Fools Day, but… :) This is a real change of pace from your usual straight ahead / blues offerings, DG, and I don't have much of a clue as to who this is.

4. JATW. NOT Basie on piano! Tenor has a lot of Hawk in him. Gotta think more on this one.

5. An after hours blues played more sweet and pretty than down and dirty. It works for me. No guesses.

6. A little r&b feel this time (actually a lot of r&b feel). Pretty straightforward, and… wow, very short. No real problems or complaints from me here, except that it was over before I had time to start thinking about who it was.

7. I was just recently on a Phil Upchurch kick, and listened to this online. I don't think I have it anywhere in my collection, and never came across the record, but it's cool. Love that raw sound- especially the organ! Phil would later knock me out with his guitar sound (the tone he was getting in the late 60's and early 70's), on "Feeling Blue" and other albums. Nice pick, Dan.

8. I think I figured this one out, but I have to admit that I never knew this funny man sang. I was almost ready to guess Johnny Otis or somebody like that. Either way, his singing voice doesn't really do a lot for me.

9. This guy doesn't sound old enough to be chasing girls. :) Ah, I think I just figured this one out also. I recall hearing about this recording, but never actually heard him when he was "Little". Interesting!

10. Sister Sadie live, with a bit of a sloppy head. Don't think I have this version. I see that you also included a HS version of this tune on BFT 88.

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Okay, I'm clearly treading water here on track 2, but wanted to put some thoughts down. I'm getting the sense that this player was strongly influenced by Ed Bickert, based on the phrasing, and especially the chord choices and tasty and confident chord movement (there's a George Van Eps quality to some of it). The tone even sounds like Ed at times, but not all the way through. I'm generally not really big on straight ahead swing style, but I have to admire the elegance of this track. It sounds like a veteran player, but it doesn't sound dated or tired or too cliche'd. The tone is rich and has a nice sustain, which I like. It's driving me a bit nuts trying to figure out who this is, but I'm enjoying the challenge...

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Dan, I have listened to all of this once. You have really outdone yourself. Like a musical artist coming out with a breakthrough album which is better than anything they ever did before, this BFT is on another level. It is a whole lot

of fun, too! I am going to use it in years to come for long distance driving music.

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O.K., I had a quick listen to the whole thing. I like it (mostly)! Some comments (mostly non-snarky, I promise):

1. Quincy Jones and Herb Alpert had a love child, and this was it. I don't know, man. This just makes me want to shout the name of intoxicating beverages.

3. 11 minutes?! Ain't nobody got time for that!

4. "Jumpin' at the Woodside"....A.C.? It sounds enough like the Definitive Black & Blue session that I'm fairly certain it's him, but I don't know this particular recording. Yeah? Nay? I don't know. Regardless, I like it, even if Basie in '38 will always be The One.

6. Jump blues. Is this a modern recording? Anyway, no idea who or what, but again, I kinda like it.

7. Awwwww yeah. Late 50's or early 60's something or other. I love it. No idea what it is, again. More hand-clapping in songs, people! It makes the world a better place.

8. Sanford and Son in the house! "Real Pretty Mama", of course.

Good stuff!

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4. "Jumpin' at the Woodside"....A.C.? It sounds enough like the Definitive Black & Blue session that I'm fairly certain it's him, but I don't know this particular recording. Yeah? Nay? I don't know. Regardless, I like it, even if Basie in '38 will always be The One.

If AC is Arnett Cobb then congratulations. Not a Black & Blue recording, however.

8. Sanford and Son in the house! "Real Pretty Mama", of course.

And did you know this instantly or do research to figure it out? Jim R. got it first but had to puzzle it out, if you were familiar with it ahead of time then I'll award you the gold star. Despite the snark.

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Glad I got this, Dan. Many thanks to you and to Bill, for letting me know about it. After a morning of music from Cuba, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, I’m really ready for a bunch of soul jazz. So here we go:

Part 1

1 Well, this starts off as a hard bop piece, but sounds as if it’s a long intro to some ultra-grooving. But nope, along comes a trumpet player who I MUST know. I’d like to say it’s Bill Hardman. Now a baritone player; a good baritone player, but not a flowing, grooving sort of guy. And a tenor solo; another good player, but again, one with little flow to his playing; it’s just this phrase, then that phrase, then another. The piano player’s another cut from the same cloth. Must go back to the trumpet solo… Hm yes, the trumpeter is that way, too, but he’s not so much so. Oh, and now the pianist is getting going, he’s pretty smooth with a flow from one idea to the next, so he’s the best of the bunch. (Well, I’ve gotta admit I’ve been listening to Sonny Stitt a good bit lately, so flow’s in my mind, at present.)

2 Nice enough guitarist, but his sound isn’t anything to write home about. Decent solo, I think I’d have applauded, too, when he finished it. If this trio was in a pub with no admission, I’d consider them an acceptable group.

3 Oh, drama! Well, it’s long enough that I keep expecting it to surprise me but, so far, after three minutes, it’s refusing to do so. OK, plenty of piano playing there. Sorry to say, however, that it ain’t moving me. Nearly nine minutes now and still two more to go; definitely not my cup of tea. I hope it isn’t Jerry Lee Lewis.

4 Ah! Wunnerful!!!! You know, I’ve got the feeling this pianist is the same guy. Why don’t tenor players play like this any more? Why do they all play like Joe Henderson and none like Arnett Cobb? Well, one of them does, it seems. I like this. Bet it’s someone like Scott Hamilton.

5 Very, very nice. I think it’s Harold Ashby. Or maybe Bubba Brooks, now the growling’s started. But this guy’s playing a bit too high in the horn for it to be Brooks, it seems to me. No, I’ll put my money on Ashby who’s a good bit more like Ben Webster than Brooks is .

6 Oh, I’ve got this one. Just got to think who it is. One of the late honkers. Oh yeah, it’s one I’ve had almost forever – got it in ’69 on a 10” LP. ‘Dungaree hop’ by Plas Johnson, from the LP ‘Bop me Daddy’ on Chewy’s second favourite label, Tampa. Done in 1956, quite a while after honking had stopped being a commercial thing.

7 Damn! I was going to put this in MY next BFT!!!!! This is one of the two records that got me into jazz organs, early ’61, followed (or maybe slightly preceded) by Ray Charles’ ‘One mint Julep’. Hope you’ve got part 2 next, cos Bubba Brooks is on that side, as well as a sensational solo from Mack Johnson (and what the hell EVER happened to Mack Johnson?) – Phil Upchurch, ‘You can’t sit down’. You’d have had BOTH sides from me. I bought it the day it came out – who could resist a record with a title like that? When I got it home and listened to it… WHEW!!!

Well, while I’m here, let’s put the personnel up:

Mack Johnson (tp) David "Bubba" Brooks (ts) Cornell Muldrow (org) Phil Upchurch (g,el-b) Joe Hadrick (d)

Hadrick was later drummer in Willis Jackson’s combo, with Pat Martino and Carl Wilson, and later rejoined Gator for albums like ‘Single action’, by which time he was Yusef Ali.

And whatever happened to Mack Johnson?

(Oh Lord, I just looked up Mack Johnson in Lord. After some recordings with Upchurch, he moved on to the James Brown band in the Mid sixties and was on those Smash albums, then to the Johnny Otis organisation in the mid seventies and was still making gigs with Otis when ‘Spirit of the black territory bands’ was made in 1990. There’s even a PHOTO of him on the back of Otis’ 1977 LP ‘Back to jazz’! I think I’ve got nearly ALL his recordings and never knew, because no one else let him solo.)

Since 1961, I’ve bought a few of Upchurch’s albums, but never found any of them satisfactory, by comparison to his first single and LP (I’ve never found his second, with essentially the same band, however). So I gave up on him. Good guitarist; good sideman; but not as exciting as you know he could be, so disappointing.

8 Oh, not part 2. ‘Real pretty mama blues’. NOT by Amos Milburn; by a modern white band.

9 ‘It shoulda been me’, but not Ray Charles. I suspect one of the recent retro black R&B bands. Very competent, but new material might have been better.

10 ‘Sister Sadie’ by a band that isn’t perfectly well rehearsed. Oh, it’s live. OK, I can live with live fluffs. Nice tenor player; nice entrance, then he went kind of ordinary. Well, an enjoyable band to have with your beer and steak. A VERY enjoyable band for that.

Gonna quit for a bit and listen to part 2 tomorrow.

Well, that was yesterday. I see today's tracks are in a different thread, so I could have posted this yesterday.

MG

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This is why I was hoping MG would participate - not only does he always have interesting things to say, but I also picked some tunes with him in mind. So thanks to Bill for reaching out and letting MG know about my BFT.

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Glad I got this, Dan. Many thanks to you and to Bill, for letting me know about it. After a morning of music from Cuba, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, I’m really ready for a bunch of soul jazz. So here we go:
Part 1

1 Well, this starts off as a hard bop piece, but sounds as if it’s a long intro to some ultra-grooving. But nope, along comes a trumpet player who I MUST know. I’d like to say it’s Bill Hardman.

You would be correct, sir.

3 Oh, drama! Well, it’s long enough that I keep expecting it to surprise me but, so far, after three minutes, it’s refusing to do so. OK, plenty of piano playing there. Sorry to say, however, that it ain’t moving me. Nearly nine minutes now and still two more to go; definitely not my cup of tea. I hope it isn’t Jerry Lee Lewis.

Not all tunes were selected with you in mind. ;)

4 Ah! Wunnerful!!!! You know, I’ve got the feeling this pianist is the same guy. Why don’t tenor players play like this any more? Why do they all play like Joe Henderson and none like Arnett Cobb? Well, one of them does, it seems. I like this. Bet it’s someone like Scott Hamilton.

Not Scott. The pianist in #3 was repeated but not on this track.

5 Very, very nice. I think it’s Harold Ashby. Or maybe Bubba Brooks, now the growling’s started. But this guy’s playing a bit too high in the horn for it to be Brooks, it seems to me. No, I’ll put my money on Ashby who’s a good bit more like Ben Webster than Brooks is .

Correct on Ashby.

6 Oh, I’ve got this one. Just got to think who it is. One of the late honkers. Oh yeah, it’s one I’ve had almost forever – got it in ’69 on a 10” LP. ‘Dungaree hop’ by Plas Johnson, from the LP ‘Bop me Daddy’ on Chewy’s second favourite label, Tampa. Done in 1956, quite a while after honking had stopped being a commercial thing.

Now this I figured you'd nail.

7 Damn! I was going to put this in MY next BFT!!!!! This is one of the two records that got me into jazz organs, early ’61, followed (or maybe slightly preceded) by Ray Charles’ ‘One mint Julep’. Hope you’ve got part 2 next, cos Bubba Brooks is on that side, as well as a sensational solo from Mack Johnson (and what the hell EVER happened to Mack Johnson?) – Phil Upchurch, ‘You can’t sit down’. You’d have had BOTH sides from me. I bought it the day it came out – who could resist a record with a title like that? When I got it home and listened to it… WHEW!!!

Well, while I’m here, let’s put the personnel up:
Mack Johnson (tp) David "Bubba" Brooks (ts) Cornell Muldrow (org) Phil Upchurch (g,el-b) Joe Hadrick (d)

Sorry to steal your thunder! But another one with you in mind since you hipped me to Bubba's presence. And by the way that is part 2. I wanted the tenor solo in there.


8 Oh, not part 2. ‘Real pretty mama blues’. NOT by Amos Milburn; by a modern white band.

Not a modern white band either.

9 ‘It shoulda been me’, but not Ray Charles. I suspect one of the recent retro black R&B bands. Very competent, but new material might have been better.

And not the original lyrics either. Jim R. figured this one out but is keeping the secret ...


MG

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Track 1 - Oh! I know this. That bitchin' bari vamp. A-ha! That's Junior Cook. Hmmm... no, too Coltrane. This will need a second listen. And I still can't place it, but man, that hook is awfully familiar.

Track 2 - Has that Concord sound, but given the needle drop, I'm leaning a Pablo date. Okay, and a live date. Nice, laid back, swinging date. Bass solo doesn't resonate but enjoying the guitar a lot.
Track 3 - I'm a sucker for this style. I used to have a lot of this sort of thing in my collection when I was younger (or maybe it seemed that way because the collection was smaller). This is very nice, and there is something very familiar about the timing in this pianist's touch. Heavy McCoy-ish touch.
Track 4 - Give me a second on the title... I can hear the lyrics. Ah!, Jumpin' at the Woodside. A touch of Jaws, but not him. A firebreather, for sure, though. [second listen] -- I'm going to say Arnett Cobb, but I think later.
Track 5 - Sure sounds like Ash to me. Again, sounds like a Concord recording. Less like Ashby as it goes on, but someone in that vein. [second listen] Man, there are points I'm positive this is Ashby, but then I waffle. I'll commit and say it's him, but it's not something I have.
Track 6 - Gator? Good ol' rock 'n' roll saxophone. I'm in the right neighborhood, but I'm not 100% sure; I'll go with Gator.
Track 7 - Huh... almost has that Graham Bond Organization sound. No idea.
Track 8 - Off the bat sounded like Joe Williams, but then it became clear I need fresh air as that is clearly not right. The last few songs have me yearning to hit a smokey bar and watch some chick in a bouffant hairdo dance in a bikini.
Track 9 - It should have been me... evidently sung by a young man. It's none of the guys I would typically think of who were working at this age, so I'm rather clueless.
Track 10 - Sister Sadie. Done by people I'm not familiar with, live. Seems like it might be the drummer's gig, and I was thinking it could be Philly Joe based on the snapiness of the drums.
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Track 1 - Oh! I know this. That bitchin' bari vamp. A-ha! That's Junior Cook. Hmmm... no, too Coltrane. This will need a second listen. And I still can't place it, but man, that hook is awfully familiar.

Should stick with your first instinct on the tenor.

Track 2 - Has that Concord sound, but given the needle drop, I'm leaning a Pablo date. Okay, and a live date. Nice, laid back, swinging date. Bass solo doesn't resonate but enjoying the guitar a lot.
Again, first instincts Thom. Not Pablo. ;)
Track 4 - Give me a second on the title... I can hear the lyrics. Ah!, Jumpin' at the Woodside. A touch of Jaws, but not him. A firebreather, for sure, though. [second listen] -- I'm going to say Arnett Cobb, but I think later.
Second instincts this time, yes to Arnett, and yes to "later".
Track 5 - Sure sounds like Ash to me. Again, sounds like a Concord recording. Less like Ashby as it goes on, but someone in that vein. [second listen] Man, there are points I'm positive this is Ashby, but then I waffle. I'll commit and say it's him, but it's not something I have.
Ashby but not a Concord recording.
Track 6 - Gator? Good ol' rock 'n' roll saxophone. I'm in the right neighborhood, but I'm not 100% sure; I'll go with Gator.
Not Gator. Though if it were Gator, MG, who ID'd it, still would have ID'd it. :g
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1-2 Donald Byrd Pepper Addams.

1-2 First listen I thought this may be Kenny Burrell. Now I don't think it is.

1-3 Don’t know.

1-4 Annett Cobb The Definitive Black & Blue Sessions

1-5 Sounds like Ben Webster but I don’t think it is him. Plus I just about every recording with Webster and don’t know this one.

1-6 Don’ t know this one.

1-7 Don’t know it but I like it a lot

1-8 It isn’t the original Amos Milburn. Is it Big Tiny Kennedy?

1-9 I only know the Ray Charles version.

1-10 Horace Silver’s Sister Sadie. Don’t know who this band is.

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1-2 Donald Byrd Pepper Addams.

Nope.

1-4 Annett Cobb The Definitive Black & Blue Sessions

It is Arnett, but not from a Black & Blue recording.

1-8 It isn’t the original Amos Milburn. Is it Big Tiny Kennedy?

Nope - but that's a great nickname, I must say.

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1-2 Donald Byrd Pepper Addams.

Nope.

1-4 Annett Cobb The Definitive Black & Blue Sessions

It is Arnett, but not from a Black & Blue recording.

1-8 It isn’t the original Amos Milburn. Is it Big Tiny Kennedy?

Nope - but that's a great nickname, I must say.

BTW, I enjoyed each track on disc 1. On to disc 2 now.

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