BFT 133 Disc 2 - Tracks 11-21

[Dan Gould]

Although only Thom received discs, his naming convention followed the arbitrary division of tracks so I figured I should split up the Discussion threads.

This one is for Tracks 11-21. Let the games begin - and I should mention that in this group I brought back the old Gene Harris/Not Gene Harris section. I think it's start is announced pretty clearly.

[Jim R]

DISC 2

1. Cool. Pretty sure I've heard this, if I don't own it. Nice tune with a nice bridge. I think the thing I enjoy least about this is the guitar player (his tone mainly, but not crazy about his solo). More thinking needed on this.

2. Moanin'. I thought I recognized this as something I own, but I can't locate it. I have mixed feelings about tempos this fast, and performances this short, but in the end it works. I was initially thinking the guitarist might be Martino or Benson, but the chops don't quite seem to be at that level. I hear plenty of Jimmy Smith-isms, but that doesn't really help me to figure out who's organizing here. I still need to up my game when it comes to identifying keyboard players. Still trying to sleuth this out...

3. Funky Monk. Well You Needn't (I mean, that's the title. I wasn't commenting on the artist's choice to… oh never mind). Never heard this one. The guitar player makes me think of Russell Malone.

4. Puts me in the mind of McCann, Harris and Bailey, and Eddie's tune "Listen Here"… but I'm not familiar with this one. Like it.

5. I really like the first two minutes or so, then I gradually lost interest. Between this and track three on the first disc, I'm wondering if this is still Dan Gould at the helm.

6. Pretty nice. Joe Henderson on tenor?

7. I guess I'll guess Gene Harris.

8. I guess I'll guess Gene Harris again! Not easy to avoid boring people a bit with this perhaps-most-played-standard-of-all-time, but I liked this rendition a lot. Some nice colors.

9. A record! With noise! And skips! I don't miss them! First tune is Ballin' the Jack. My mom used to play this when I was a kid, and I still don't know what that title means (or I've forgotten), but it's always a little nostalgic to hear it again. Second tune (flip side?) is Porter's "I Love You". Always like those changes. I hear some grunting here that makes me think of OP for some reason. I'm trying to figure out when this might date from…

10. Smack Dab in the Middle. Liked it. Fine work by every one of these three players. I'll give the game ball to the bassist.

11. It's embarrassing to have forgotten the title of this classic spiritual, but no matter- the feeling is the important thing, and this performance is drenched in that. Good way to go out.

[Dan Gould]

DISC 2

1. Cool. Pretty sure I've heard this, if I don't own it. Nice tune with a nice bridge. I think the thing I enjoy least about this is the guitar player (his tone mainly, but not crazy about his solo). More thinking needed on this.

I thought people would get the title to this one but it will probably dawn on you after you do a little more thinking.

3. Funky Monk. Well You Needn't (I mean, that's the title. I wasn't commenting on the artist's choice to… oh never mind). Never heard this one. The guitar player makes me think of Russell Malone.

Not Russell.

5. I really like the first two minutes or so, then I gradually lost interest. Between this and track three on the first disc, I'm wondering if this is still Dan Gould at the helm.

Just trying to be a little less predictable with one or two that aren't greasy blues.

6. Pretty nice. Joe Henderson on tenor?

Nope.

7. I guess I'll guess Gene Harris.

Yes, and this was the entry into the Gene/Not Gene section.

8. I guess I'll guess Gene Harris again! Not easy to avoid boring people a bit with this perhaps-most-played-standard-of-all-time, but I liked this rendition a lot. Some nice colors.

Not Gene. I think you'll be surprised when we get to the reveal.

11. It's embarrassing to have forgotten the title of this classic spiritual, but no matter- the feeling is the important thing, and this performance is drenched in that. Good way to go out.

And you'd done so well on the titles, but the first and the last didn't quite come into clarity.

Thanks Jim, now get back to Disc 1 track 2. I'm going to call it Jim R's tune at the reveal so you've got 29 days to figure it out.

Edited April 2, 2015 by Dan Gould

[Jim R]

'Just A Closer Walk With Thee' is the closer. Now back to the opener...

[felser]

2-1 Classic Hammond organ blues style which could have been recorded any time between 1960 and today. I lean later due to the guitar tone, but could well be wrong. Good stuff for sure.

2-2 “Moanin’” done at a very rapid pace. Guitarist has a gorgeous tone. While all subsequent jazz organists are impacted by Jimmy Smith, if this isn’t Smith himself, this guy REALLY is.

2-3 Monk’s “Well, You Needn’t” given the Hammond boogaloo treatment. The drum style and guitar tone would seem to give this a later recording date. I find the drumming too static and overbearing for my taste, which ultimately spoils the whole track for me. Sorta sounds like Medeski, Martin, and Wood.

2-4 Right up my alley, now this is how to do the boogaloo thing. Likely a post-Sidewinder Cannonball Adderley 60’s track on Capitol, or something like that. The saxophonist was born to play this sort of thing. If it’s not Cannonball, I’m sure he’s someone I know. Stanley Turrentine or Fathead Newman or someone along those lines. I’d be shocked if I don’t own this already, and really should be able to ID it better. Sounds like Nat and Zawinul, but I may be wrong. If for some reason I don’t own this, I’ll look to rectify that at my first opportunity.

2-5 Very well played, but a little dry for my taste. Influenced by late 60’s Miles, but not that group, and of later vintage. Very possibly European, has a little ECM mixed in.

2-6 Vinyl rip. Trumpeter reminds me of my man Charles Tolliver, but I don’t think it’s him. I’m sure the players are well-known. Nice modal thing going on with the pianist. Bass player doesn’t do it for me, at least on this cut. Curious on this cut. 50/50 I own it, better than that I’m familiar with it.

2-7 Gotta be Gene Harris, right? Interesting little interview, glad you included it.

2-8 Poetically, you’d have to do a Gene Harris cut next, right? So I’d guess this is “Summertime” by him.

2-9 Maybe Art Tatum or Earl Hines or somebody. Has a skip in it. Stylistically prior to my active radar.

2-10 Also from the Gene Harris family of pianists. On most BFT’s, the safest default guess seems to be “Sonny Stitt”, but on your’s it is, of course “Gene Harris”.

2-11 Gene Harris. Yeah, just default guessing.

[Dan Gould]

2-1 Classic Hammond organ blues style which could have been recorded any time between 1960 and today. I lean later due to the guitar tone, but could well be wrong. Good stuff for sure.

I think maybe this tune isn't getting ID'd because the original was with piano, not organ.

2-2 “Moanin’” done at a very rapid pace. Guitarist has a gorgeous tone. While all subsequent jazz organists are impacted by Jimmy Smith, if this isn’t Smith himself, this guy REALLY is.

I usually think of him as more or less a contemporary of JOS but I guess it's true that everybody or almost everybody was influenced by him once he gained some fame.

2-3 Monk’s “Well, You Needn’t” given the Hammond boogaloo treatment. The drum style and guitar tone would seem to give this a later recording date. I find the drumming too static and overbearing for my taste, which ultimately spoils the whole track for me. Sorta sounds like Medeski, Martin, and Wood.

2-4 Right up my alley, now this is how to do the boogaloo thing. Likely a post-Sidewinder Cannonball Adderley 60’s track on Capitol, or something like that. The saxophonist was born to play this sort of thing. If it’s not Cannonball, I’m sure he’s someone I know. Stanley Turrentine or Fathead Newman or someone along those lines. I’d be shocked if I don’t own this already, and really should be able to ID it better. Sounds like Nat and Zawinul, but I may be wrong. If for some reason I don’t own this, I’ll look to rectify that at my first opportunity.

None of the musicians you mentioned are present but I am glad you liked it so much and if it is new you will definitely like the recording as there are two other similar tracks and I had a hard time choosing which one to include on this BFT.

2-5 Very well played, but a little dry for my taste. Influenced by late 60’s Miles, but not that group, and of later vintage. Very possibly European, has a little ECM mixed in.

Not European. Thought it would be a good change of pace ...

2-6 Vinyl rip. Trumpeter reminds me of my man Charles Tolliver, but I don’t think it’s him. I’m sure the players are well-known. Nice modal thing going on with the pianist. Bass player doesn’t do it for me, at least on this cut. Curious on this cut. 50/50 I own it, better than that I’m familiar with it.

No, not Tolliver but I included it because I think the trumpeter is someone who flies under a lot of radar. Not impossible that you own it but it's not a real common record, I don't think.

2-7 Gotta be Gene Harris, right? Interesting little interview, glad you included it.

Glad you liked it.

2-8 Poetically, you’d have to do a Gene Harris cut next, right? So I’d guess this is “Summertime” by him.

2-9 Maybe Art Tatum or Earl Hines or somebody. Has a skip in it. Stylistically prior to my active radar.

2-10 Also from the Gene Harris family of pianists. On most BFT’s, the safest default guess seems to be “Sonny Stitt”, but on your’s it is, of course “Gene Harris”.

2-11 Gene Harris. Yeah, just default guessing.

Of your default guesses, only the last track is Gene.

Thanks, I enjoyed your responses.

[lipi]

Disc 2. I liked disc 1 better, but I still had fun with this. Comments are sparser--and perhaps snarkier.

2. Woah. This sort of stuff always makes me think of ADHD medication. Next...

3. Makes me want to pull out a Parliament Funkadelic record.

8. "Summertime"? No idea who it is, though.

9. "Ballin' the Jack" and...some other tune that escapes me right now. Oh, that's frustrating! I know this tune. Ugh. It's something from the Great American Songbook. Oh well. And who's playing? Geez, I might make a fool of myself here, but I'll guess Fatha. It reminds me a little of his live recordings in SF in the 50's.

10. There sure are a lot of pianists in this thing. I don't know who this is, but I'm enjoying it. More, please.

11. Someone who's listened to an awful lot of Gene Harris. Is that "Just a Closer Walk"? Ah, yes it is. I don't know who's playing (unless it's actually Gene?).

Edit: Oh! I didn't read the introductory message before posting. Well, can I change all my guesses to Gene Harris after the fact?

Edited April 5, 2015 by alex.

[Dan Gould]

Disc 2. I liked disc 1 better, but I still had fun with this. Comments are sparser--and perhaps snarkier.

9. "Ballin' the Jack" and...some other tune that escapes me right now. Oh, that's frustrating! I know this tune. Ugh. It's something from the Great American Songbook. Oh well. And who's playing? Geez, I might make a fool of myself here, but I'll guess Fatha. It reminds me a little of his live recordings in SF in the 50's.

Not Hines.

10. There sure are a lot of pianists in this thing. I don't know who this is, but I'm enjoying it. More, please.

11. Someone who's listened to an awful lot of Gene Harris. Is that "Just a Closer Walk"? Ah, yes it is. I don't know who's playing (unless it's actually Gene?).

Edit: Oh! I didn't read the introductory message before posting. Well, can I change all my guesses to Gene Harris after the fact?

No, and I can't give credit for getting #11 right, "unless it's actually Gene?" is far too wishy-washy.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Part 2

Well, here we are on today.

1 I feel I know this one a bit, but… the tune has some odd twists and turns so I’m not sure. An organ combo, with someone like McGriff on organ, and a nice tenor player with more than a touch of Houston Person about him. But NOT Houston. I don’t think I’ve heard him before, though I’ll have to think about that. Oh, it’s a live job… well… the guitarist doesn’t really have that much of an individual sound. I’d guess someone like Bob DeVos. And the organist… a newish guy, I fancy, someone of Joey DeFrancesco’s generation. I don’t think I know any of these guys, but they’re pretty good at this. But for a live gig by a grooving organ combo, the audience is a bit too polite.

2 Ah, ‘Moanin’’ by Gene Ludwig, from the LP ‘Organ out loud’. Everyone should have lots of Gene Ludwig.

3 Another organist. And another tune I somewhat recognise, a bop tune. I can never remember the titles of those bop tunes. ‘Well, you needn’t’? The drummer sounds like the leader on this; someone like Cecil Brooks III. Well, a nice piece by a recent band, but nothing too invigorating.

4 OK, away from the organ combos. Another recent band with a tune with an exciting head. And a tenor player who’s off from the word go. I like his hard sound. I like the pianist playing Jerry Lee Lewis stuff behind him, too. Another live recording, but again, before an audience that is too polite. Good trumpet player, too; ideas just pouring out of him. I like him better than the tenor player who’s very good but kind of one-dimensional. Here comes the pianist. Another enthusiast whom I like a lot with another good flow of ideas.

I don’t know any of these guys, but I’d like to hear more of them, particularly on ballads or medium-up tempos.

5 An interesting, peaceful start which has something of the feeling of some Freddie Hubbard recordings. After a couple of minutes, it starts meandering, though. I’ve got my volume right up, and it’s a bit too quiet to hear and follow well. There were horns playing quietly behind the piano, but I couldn’t really make out what they were playing. Here comes the trumpet player. He does sound a good bit like Hubbard. Now a tenor man. Well, it sounds like he’s not going to solo, just take us out with the trumpet player. OK. An interesting piece, with some resemblance to ‘Maiden voyage’ in the feeling it generates.

I must confess that I’m not at all certain what hard bop combos are trying to convey in this kind of number. That’s one of the reasons hard bop really isn’t my kind of thing.

6 Well, after a break while I get the washing in, here we are on #6. This one sounds like a variation on Stan Turrentine’s ‘Sugar’ with another Freddie Hubbard clone on trumpet. It sounds like the band that made ‘Sweet sister funk’ with Ramon Morris with Al Dailey (p) and Cecil Bridgewater (tp). I’m sure this isn’t them, but it’s so like them on the track ‘Lord sideways’.

7 Must be your favourite pianist talking, Gene Harris. Interesting.

8 And this is him playing ‘Summertime’ now. Never heard him play unaccompanied before. Blooming ‘eck, Tucker, this is the best and most impactful I’ve ever heard him. If I’d heard him doing this back in the day, I’d have been a fan long, long ago. Brill!

‘Course, if it isn’t Harris, then I’m wrong, ain’t I?

9 ‘Balling the jack’. Or is it ‘Sweet Georgia Brown’? Or ‘Sister Sadie’? No, it’s Jack being balled. And on to a Coal Porter’s ‘I love you’, a tune seldom done by jazz musicians. I don’t understand why these two songs are associated in this way. Somewhat damaged 45 you’ve ripped that from, Dan. Is it one of those rare Gene Harris singles on Jubilee you got from somewhere? Well, I don’t think this IS Gene Harris; this doesn’t seem to be the sort of thing he’d do.

10 ‘Smack dab in the middle’ – a tune mostly associated with Ray Charles, though it goes back to the mid-fifties; a C&W song, if memory serves. Perhaps this is Gene Harris again. I have his recording with Curtis Stigers singing, so I doubt that he’d record it again. So, I dunno Guv. Just looked at the composer credits for the song and see it was written by Charles A Calhoun, whose name I remember as writer of ‘Blue suede shoes’.

11 ‘Just a closer walk with thee’, played by a lovely booting tenor with band to fit accordingly. Oh, I want this album! Must be one of those Floating Jazz Festival albums, with Red Holloway on tenor. And Sweets. And Gene Harris. Didn’t know Harris had been on one, but I’m nowhere near an expert on him (the only one I know lives the other side of the Atlantic).

Pretty interesting compilation, Dan. I’ve got to admit that I’m still slightly miffed that you put the Upchurch on, and without part 2. Still, it was a good BFT, with several things I OUGHT to know. And a few things I SHOULDN’T know, but which are pretty interesting, all the same. I didn't get too many of them, I think. I expect Jeff would do better than me.

Wham, bam, thank you, Dan!

MG

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Oh, I got another one right! 'Just a closer walk'. Must find that Floating Festival album.

MG

[Dan Gould]

Oh, I got another one right! 'Just a closer walk'. Must find that Floating Festival album.

MG

More later but I wanted to say you'll be looking a long time to find it as a Floating Jazz Festival release.

[Dan Gould]

Part 2

Well, here we are on today.

1 I feel I know this one a bit, but… the tune has some odd twists and turns so I’m not sure. An organ combo, with someone like McGriff on organ, and a nice tenor player with more than a touch of Houston Person about him. But NOT Houston. I don’t think I’ve heard him before, though I’ll have to think about that. Oh, it’s a live job… well… the guitarist doesn’t really have that much of an individual sound. I’d guess someone like Bob DeVos. And the organist… a newish guy, I fancy, someone of Joey DeFrancesco’s generation. I don’t think I know any of these guys, but they’re pretty good at this. But for a live gig by a grooving organ combo, the audience is a bit too polite.

Yes, more recent vintage but none of the names mentioned are correct (and I don't think I'd call the organist Joey's generation either). And another participant not recognizing the tune. I do find that surprising.

2 Ah, ‘Moanin’’ by Gene Ludwig, from the LP ‘Organ out loud’. Everyone should have lots of Gene Ludwig.

And another one teed up for MG and he doesn't miss. Actually I am not sure if the LP title is correct but maybe this track got used on different releases.

6 Well, after a break while I get the washing in, here we are on #6. This one sounds like a variation on Stan Turrentine’s ‘Sugar’ with another Freddie Hubbard clone on trumpet. It sounds like the band that made ‘Sweet sister funk’ with Ramon Morris with Al Dailey (p) and Cecil Bridgewater (tp). I’m sure this isn’t them, but it’s so like them on the track ‘Lord sideways’.

Now this comment I don't get, particularly any musical similarity to "Sugar".

7 Must be your favourite pianist talking, Gene Harris. Interesting.

Indeed.

8 And this is him playing ‘Summertime’ now. Never heard him play unaccompanied before. Blooming ‘eck, Tucker, this is the best and most impactful I’ve ever heard him. If I’d heard him doing this back in the day, I’d have been a fan long, long ago. Brill!

‘Course, if it isn’t Harris, then I’m wrong, ain’t I?

Well you are wrong for it isn't Gene. But I'm glad you liked it so much. You'll be surprised at the reveal.

9 ‘Balling the jack’. Or is it ‘Sweet Georgia Brown’? Or ‘Sister Sadie’? No, it’s Jack being balled. And on to a Coal Porter’s ‘I love you’, a tune seldom done by jazz musicians. I don’t understand why these two songs are associated in this way. Somewhat damaged 45 you’ve ripped that from, Dan. Is it one of those rare Gene Harris singles on Jubilee you got from somewhere? Well, I don’t think this IS Gene Harris; this doesn’t seem to be the sort of thing he’d do.

Now you're onto something. 'Cept it's not on Jubilee, that was the oddball LPs that are supposed to be THE Gene.

10 ‘Smack dab in the middle’ – a tune mostly associated with Ray Charles, though it goes back to the mid-fifties; a C&W song, if memory serves. Perhaps this is Gene Harris again. I have his recording with Curtis Stigers singing, so I doubt that he’d record it again. So, I dunno Guv.

Was it a C&W song? I first heard it on the reissue of one of those Basie/Joe Williams releases.

11 ‘Just a closer walk with thee’, played by a lovely booting tenor with band to fit accordingly. Oh, I want this album! Must be one of those Floating Jazz Festival albums, with Red Holloway on tenor. And Sweets. And Gene Harris. Didn’t know Harris had been on one, but I’m nowhere near an expert on him (the only one I know lives the other side of the Atlantic).

An excellent call on everything except the Floating Jazz connection.

Wham, bam, thank you, Dan!

MG

My pleasure!

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

This is the Ludwig LP I've got, from which 'Moanin'' comes.

It was reissued on Time (another Bob Shad label) under the title 'The hot organ'

The Mainstream is the original.

MG

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Oh, so 'Ballin' the jack'/'I lurve yew' IS Gene Harris.

Well, I still don't think it's the kind of thing he'd do, but shows how much I know bout Mr Harris.

So, I looked up 'Smack dab in the middle' to find that Charles Calhoun was a pseudonym for none other than Jesse Stone!!!!!!! Who used the name when he was moonlighting from Atlantic (but apparently at Ahmet's suggestion). He recorded it for MGM in 1955, under the name of The Charlie Calhoun Orchestra, and coupled it with '(I don't know why) the car won't go'.

So, I was wrong, not a country song, but an R&B song, by one of the greatest R&B songwriters. Here's a link to wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Stone

And 'Blue suede shoes' was actually written by Carl Perkins, prompted by an idea from Johnny Cash. So, wrong again.

But you gotta admit, Charles A Calhoun sounds as if he OUGHT to have been writing country songs.

MG

[Dan Gould]

This is the Ludwig LP I've got, from which 'Moanin'' comes.

It was reissued on Time (another Bob Shad label) under the title 'The hot organ'

The Mainstream is the original.

MG

How foolish I was to have doubted your knowledge when it comes to this area ...

[Jim R]

And on to a Coal Porter’s ‘I love you’, a tune seldom done by jazz musicians.

Nonsense. I have 43 versions in my iTunes library, and only a portion of my collection has been transferred there. At Jazzstandards.com, they rank 1,000 of the most-frequently recorded standards of all time. At #119, "I Love You" is in the top 12%.

[tkeith]

Track 11 - That'll be Hank Mobley's A Baptist Beat (one of my favorite HM tunes/albums). I was completely perplexed as I know of only two versions of this song, so I hit the interwebs and learned that it is track 4 from this [http://www.allmusic.com/album/up-a-step-mw0002375957]. Not somebody I was familiar with. I generally like what he's doing, but like most of the modern players, he needs to do some unlearning of the muscle memory if he is going to have a distinctive identity. I give him massive props for doing an album of Hank Mobley tunes. It's about damned time somebody did.

Track 12 - A very herky-jerky take on Moanin'. At times, it seems to burn, but at times, it seems very clunky.

Track 13 - Straight, No Chaser. Doesn't seem like a Jazz band so much as either a modern blues or crossover band.

Track 14 - I'm in at the bass hook. Sounds like a nice way to get around paying Eddie Harris royalties, but well done. Solos seem to lose the identity of the tune a bit. Again, leaning towards a modern crossover band. Oh mercy! At 3:00 somebody owes Eddie not only royalties but a quote citation.

Track 15 - I liked the vamp, but the tenor leaves me cold and the whole thing gets very pensive rather quickly. I enjoy the trumpet solo, but the background isn't quite doing what my ears want it too (which is probably my problem, not theirs). I'm wanting that Billy Harper kind of background and it's much to polite to achieve that. It's solid music, just doesn't reside in my neighborhood.

Track 16 - First impressions are midway between two of my faves: Woody Shaw and Charles Tolliver. Newer than either. Sounds an awful lot like Harold Land on tenor, but I assume it’s also someone newer (perhaps studied with Land?).

Track 17 - The interviewer sounds like the guy who interviewed Coltrane on that Miles/Coltrane Quintet live double disc (with the interview split between the two sides), in Stockholm, if I recall. Great stuff.

Track 18 - Okay... I'll go out on a limb and say both 17 & 18 are Gene Harris (partly because it's been awhile since he's popped up in these parts).

Track 19 - Needle drop in sort of rough shape. In general, I like this because of the piano, but the drums are pretty stiff. I'd call this a keeper, but I can't say who it is.

Track 20 - This one is kind of stiff off the bat. It's not that I don't like it, it just doesn't feel like it's swinging -- it feels like it's TRYING to swing. No guesses.

Track 21 - No idea what this is. Two listens and I've got this weird Sidney Bechet thing nagging at me, but I can't put a name to it. No idea who, but could be Sweets on trumpet. Could be somebody like Red Holloway on tenor. Of the last three, I think I like this one the best upon repeated listening.

[Dan Gould]

Track 11 - That'll be Hank Mobley's A Baptist Beat (one of my favorite HM tunes/albums).

If no one else, I figured you'd recognize the tune.

I give him massive props for doing an album of Hank Mobley tunes. It's about damned time somebody did.

Oh hell yes!

Track 13 - Straight, No Chaser. Doesn't seem like a Jazz band so much as either a modern blues or crossover band.

Pretty perceptive comment but the drummer should be recognized as 'jazz".

Track 14 - I'm in at the bass hook. Sounds like a nice way to get around paying Eddie Harris royalties, but well done. Solos seem to lose the identity of the tune a bit. Again, leaning towards a modern crossover band. Oh mercy! At 3:00 somebody owes Eddie not only royalties but a quote citation.

Wouldn't call it a crossover band but the leader has a fairly prominent non-jazz gig.

Track 16 - First impressions are midway between two of my faves: Woody Shaw and Charles Tolliver. Newer than either. Sounds an awful lot like Harold Land on tenor, but I assume it’s also someone newer (perhaps studied with Land?).

Actually trumpeter is very close to Woody/Charles' era, maybe just a tiny bit later. I've never thought of the tenor as being influenced, let alone studied with Land.

Track 17 - The interviewer sounds like the guy who interviewed Coltrane on that Miles/Coltrane Quintet live double disc (with the interview split between the two sides), in Stockholm, if I recall. Great stuff.

Track 18 - Okay... I'll go out on a limb and say both 17 & 18 are Gene Harris (partly because it's been awhile since he's popped up in these parts).

17 yes, 18 no. Everyone will be surprised at 18.

Track 21 - No idea what this is. Two listens and I've got this weird Sidney Bechet thing nagging at me, but I can't put a name to it. No idea who, but could be Sweets on trumpet. Could be somebody like Red Holloway on tenor. Of the last three, I think I like this one the best upon repeated listening.

Yes to Red and Sweets who MG ID'd along with the pianist. But no one has the source yet.

Thanks Thom I always enjoy your comments and impressions. It's just too bad that the track you nailed best ended up being replaced on the official BFT.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Dan Gould

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

And on to a Coal Porter’s ‘I love you’, a tune seldom done by jazz musicians.

Nonsense. I have 43 versions in my iTunes library, and only a portion of my collection has been transferred there. At Jazzstandards.com, they rank 1,000 of the most-frequently recorded standards of all time. At #119, "I Love You" is in the top 12%.

Wow! I only have about 2. (I confess, I also used to have a version by Perry Como, done during the MU strike, with a choir !!! NOT terribly jazzy

MG

[Hot Ptah]

Now on to Disc 2. I am really not going to be able to add a lot of information or guesses here, but here goes...

2-1. So from Thom Keith we learn who this is, and the song title. I had never heard of this artist, but I like this a lot and now want to hear more.

2-2. From The Magnificent Goldberg we learn that this is Don Ludwig. I am not familiar with him, but want to hear more. I thought when I heard it that the organist had uncommon chops, but it did not sound like Jimmy Smith to me.

2-3. Monk's "Well You Needn't" done by a modern blues or crossover band, with a jazz drummer. That has me more stumped than ever. Lucky Peterson could pull something like this off. I am trying to think of other contemporary blues bands who could play this.

2-4. The leader has a fairly prominent non-jazz gig. Okay, that really puzzles me. I like this a lot. It is more exciting than the Adderley tribute band I saw live, led by Louis Hayes. I want to hear more of this album--actually, all of it.

2-5. This sounds like the style of some 1970s hard bop bands, but the very steady beat by the drummer and something about the feel of it, makes me think it is a younger, more recent band reviving that era. I like it and find it interesting.

2-6. This is very appealing, and sounds very familiar. I keep thinking I should know who the players are, and where this track came from. I think it is in my collection. But I just can't put my finger on it.

2-7. Gene Harris talking. I enjoyed this very much.

2-8. "Summertime". The player has more blues feeling than many jazz pianists, and more chops than most blues pianists. It sounds like it could be a fairly recent recording. Very enjoyable!

2-9. 'Ballin' That Jack." This could be a 1940s or early 1950s recording, of a pianist with a lot of blues feeling. I like it a great deal.

2-10. 'Smack Dab in the Middle". I would guess it is recorded after 1990. I have no idea who it is, but I like it a lot.

2-11. Only from what I have read here, am I really sure that this is Gene Harris. This is another very appealing track.

I love all of this disc, and will play it often for enjoyment in the future.

[Dan Gould]

Now on to Disc 2. I am really not going to be able to add a lot of information or guesses here, but here goes...

2-3. Monk's "Well You Needn't" done by a modern blues or crossover band, with a jazz drummer. That has me more stumped than ever. Lucky Peterson could pull something like this off. I am trying to think of other contemporary blues bands who could play this.

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.

It is in fact Lucky Peterson.

Edited April 29, 2015 by Dan Gould

[Hot Ptah]

Now on to Disc 2. I am really not going to be able to add a lot of information or guesses here, but here goes...

2-3. Monk's "Well You Needn't" done by a modern blues or crossover band, with a jazz drummer. That has me more stumped than ever. Lucky Peterson could pull something like this off. I am trying to think of other contemporary blues bands who could play this.

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.

It is in fact Lucky Peterson.

Then it must be from the album "The Music Is the Magic" which I have not heard but which I have just ordered. I read your DING DING DING while standing in a long line at Chipotle and I almost fell down from shock, that I actually guessed

someone.

In concert, I have enjoyed Lucky's organ playing, but thought

he was much more extraordinary as a guitarist. But this is some excellent organ playing for a blues

artist, I think.

[Dan Gould]

You got it again, Bill. Nicely done.

[JSngry]

Round Two (It!)

TRACK ONE - Very Dexter-ish tenor, but so many were. Oh, it's live...there goes my Bill Leslie guess, then. Sounds like they mean it. It is, however, a bit jarring to hear that modern-sounding applause pop up in the middle of what is going to great pains to recreate all kinds of "vintage" sounds. Stupid audience!

TRACK TWO - Sure sounds like Joe Dukes, therefore, McDuff? I duuno, though, sounds like maybe a bit of odd-metery, trickery on the head, at least some accent shifting. Sure sounds like a McDuff record, although the whole-tone thing...not so much. But still and all...McDuff.

TRACK THREE - As long as there's clubs where people get together to feel good to things like this, there will be things like this. And once there's not, there will still be things like this, because hope springs eternal. 20 years ago, I'd have gotten fullfrontal with this, 10 years ago, I'd pay to watch. Today...hey, i knwo that club's still there...well, maybe not THERE there, real estate is funny. But there SOMEWHERE, becuase like I said, hope springs eternal.

TRACK FOUR - That's the damndest thing I ever heard, Red Holloway doing a spot-on Eddie Harris cop, or the other way around! Or somebody who's a damn good mimic with enough sense of the real life history of the music's peoples to not fuck this up, which would really, REALLY piss me off, so....Branford? But - as soon as it becomes apparent that it is a mimic-er...thin ice not too heavily skated. That trumpet player, now, he/she IS starting to piss me off, not too far from Al Hirt, and Al Hirt, yeah, great player, beautiful cat yeahyeahyeah, but so NOT needed getting all up in THIS. It seems the longer it goes, the more pissed I'm getting...that piano player...the time on this bag calls for a very specific space inside the beat, and whoever it is is playing like they think they know where it is rather than actually being able to go there, much less living there. Or maybe these new PC speaker aren't broken in yet? It seems to be getting better as it goes along, but maybe I'm just succumbing...and what's up with that tambourine player...jeesus, if this is really what it feels like today, that real time is THIS rigid, even for a freakin' TAMBORING player, then...not sure I'm down with all of that. Second time through, even the tenor player is pissing me off...wish I still drank! What do you get when you cross Listen Here with Cold Duck Time, Listen Here, You Limp Duck Motherfucker? That I would drink!

TRACK FIVE - Sounds like a late-70s/Early-80s thing, and in a good way. Are those the odd LP pops I hear? So, yes to that time frame? And that melody, is really familiar...is this some recasting of a familiar pop tune? That opening motif, la-da-da-da-DA-daaa...I swear that rings a bell, not "Some Enchanted Evening", something more current for the times...and Keith Jarrett on bass! I like this more than the solo piano from the first half of the BFT, because although a lot of the general notions of feel and such are similar, this just sounds more fully absorbed and reflected than the solo piece did, I hear a lot more pacing going on here. Tell you what though - listen to what that drummer's playing and then listen to all that "bash" being pulled waaaaaay down into the mix, that is NOT what music sounds like! Columbia was one of the worse offenders in that regard, jeez, Eddie Gladden on Manhattan Symphonie and Eddie Gladden live..two different realities...hey, is this a Tony Williams record? That sounds like Tony Williams, drumming and writing, actually. Wallace Roney, Bill Pierce, Mulgrew Miller? I like it, and all the more reason to NOT pull the drums so far down in the mix.

TRACK SIX - This sugar is TOO refined, sweets from the forest flower. That's almost GOT to be Harold Land, although it takes a while for that to sink in, oddly...this isn't from Mapenzi, is it? That's not Blue that I can tell...sounds too "studied" to be Blue...oh well, i like it for the tenor.

TRACK SEVEN - Gene Speaks?

TRACK EIGHT - Geez, I just looked at my WMP & it's giving Dan Gould composer credits on this one. Not knowingly having heard any of Mr. Gould's work, I am at a complete loss.

TRACK NINE - My name is NOT Jack, nor would I care to admit to being balled, at least not in a family forum such as this, but, ok, THIS swings like mofo!

TRACK TEN - Smack Dab'll Do Ya', they'll love for you to run your fingers through their hair, is that how it goes? Gene or not, this cat has a STRONG left hand, let's hear it for that

TRACK ELEVEN - Reminds me of my parole hearing...JK...oh shit, that's "Just A Closer Walk With Thee", not "Please Release Me"...oops. Ok, THE REAL Red Holloway here, Sweets gene, you cna Google it and fin it easily as long as you don't look for "Please Release Me".

Thanks, Dan, might have had more less-favorable reactions on this part than the first, but hen again, it's getting, late, I'm getting old, and we're all out of whiskey. STILL fun!

[JSngry]

This is the Ludwig LP I've got, from which 'Moanin'' comes.

It was reissued on Time (another Bob Shad label) under the title 'The hot organ'

The Mainstream is the original.

MG

How foolish I was to have doubted your knowledge when it comes to this area ...

Pretty sure that the Time label came first, then Mainstream. Time had all that avant-garde classical stuff like Gazzelloni & Cathy Berberian, plus the two Kenny Dorham albums, Max Roach, Sonny Clark, Stanley Turrentine, some Marian McPartland/etc. Then came Mainstream, which morphed into the 70s with a whole new look and sound. Mainstream reissued some, but by no means all of the Time catalog. I've been looking for some of the classical stuff lately and finding it on both Time & Mainstream, but that jazz stuff...only on Time that I've found to this point...Time & Bainbridge, much later.

Funny thing about this one is that I bought the Mainstream LP off Da' Bastids a year or so ago and still haven't listened to it yet. Who knew?