mjzee Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Re the Tascam rack mounting: it's easy to take them off (I did); just two screws on either side. Once off, it looks like a regular deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Re the Tascam rack mounting: it's easy to take them off (I did); just two screws on either side. Once off, it looks like a regular deck. Oh, they're bolted on? That's cool. The only rack mount equipment I've ever had were built in. In that case I'd lean Tascam because their products are always so high in quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I have first hand experience with the Onkyo. My best friend in Austin picked one up, and stuck it in his system that I am very familiar with as I gave him the PeachTree amp he uses and the Decware speakers he uses. It's a nice cd player, for the price. There are many better ones, but not at that price point that I've heard. I don't have experience with that Tascam model, but I do have experience with am older model that Steve Deckert of Decware modified with a tube outupt stage with volume control and tubed regulation. I never really enjoyed that modified version, it was too revealing, it made great recordings sound amazing in my system, but was not musical enough with less than stellar recordings. From the regular outs (not the Decware modded ones) it sounded. . . unexceptional. I think the Onkyo might have it beat by a bit, but I never compared the two of them in a system, and the Tascam is not the exact same model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I never really enjoyed that modified version, it was too revealing... In other words it was super clean and lacking the "warm" distortion you're used to hearing. That's an excellent selling point, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) I never really enjoyed that modified version, it was too revealing... In other words it was super clean and lacking the "warm" distortion you're used to hearing. That's an excellent selling point, IMO. Wrong. Sorry I bothered to post. Edited April 19, 2015 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Please explain how it's wrong? "Too revealing" tells me it lays the music bare without covering up any anamolies. That sounds like exactly what most people are looking for. I prefer clinical accuracy. There is no distortion "warming" up music in a live situation. And I'm confused as to what you mean by it not being "musical" enough. What makes a CD player "musical"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I'm not interested in trying to explain myself to you or hearing your version of "audio correctness." Sorry I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Don't be sorry, just please explain what you mean when you say a CD player isn't musical enough. It shouldn't be difficult. If I say something sounds bright, I can easily explain what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I'm not interested in discussing audio with you, I get nothing but irritation from doing so. My response was in answer to another's request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I like you, Lon. I truly do. But my irritation with you comes from you using audiophile buzzwords that you cannot explain. So we're even, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Whatever Scott. I totally disagree with many statements you make about audio and don't want to talk to you about audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Disagreeing is fine, I've got no problem with that. Often those who disagree learn things from each other in the process. All I'm saying is that it would be nice to have some evidence provided to back up some of the mystical claims you make concerning audio. Or at least a simple explanation over terminology that you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 The very fact that you think that I make 'mystical claims' shows the chasm of our thoughts and life is too short. I know from experience you will just keep trying to belittle my experiences from your 'superior viewpoint' and I don't have the time to waste and be denigrated at the same time. In fact no one can speak freely about audio on this board without you criticizing them with your "objective" truisms that I and a few others don't find true. So I'm staying out of audio discussions on this board. I like you just fine when you and I are not discussing audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Who props up their system as "high resolving", and boast of their excellent $4500 Blu-ray player as proof that they can hear things that others don't? Not this boy. The only thing superior is my ability to smell bullshit and steer clear of it. But, we've both had far more than our fair share of say, let's get this thread back on topic, shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) I never said any such thing, nor did I pay anything like that for that player. And anyway, if you can't hear something, does that mean no one else can? Get over yourself. So long. Sorry for derailing your thread Sonnymax. Edited April 19, 2015 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Until they prove otherwise? Yes, it's exactly what it means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) No one can prove anything to you, you know everything already and just start insulting instead. So long, I"m putting you on ignore. Edited April 19, 2015 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 No, if something exists, it can ideed be proven. And no, I don't know everything. But I don't just believe something on faith, either. A simple ABX test and results are all that's necessary. And can be done by anyone with a computer. But ABX to audiophiles is like a crucifix to Dracula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Any data on ABX test results for same users/same tests taken over the span of several hours a day for weeks, months, even years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Yeah, a good place to start would be .wav vs 256 AAC. The whole "mp3" (generic term) inferiority thing is a thing of the past, except for in the minds of those who haven't heard anything from the latest codecs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 That's not what I asked. Perhaps I should rephrase - is their any data available to show what happens if the same people take the same blind tests for several hours a day, and then repeatedly take these same tests over a sustained period of time? All I get put in my face is tests taken over a relativity shot test period. Where are the test results that show/suggest/disprove that a listener can develop greater differential perceptions over time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) I have no idea what you're asking. ABX is blind and randomized, it has nothing to do with perception. You either hear the difference, or you don't. It's not like the results of each answer is given after you answer. Unfortunately, it's only useful for those who have bullshitted themselves into hearing things that don't exist, yet they're the ones who refuse to use it as a tool. Edited April 19, 2015 by Scott Dolan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Oh, ok. Still not sure how one makes a choice without perception (i.e. - processing of auditory input) being involved, if you have to choose there has to be the perception involved, even if the question is "can you hear a difference?", even if your answer is "no", it's because you're not perceiving one, not that there actually isn't one, you're just perceiving them to be identical (enough) but unless it's the actual human condition that the first time you hear something, you're going to consciously hear everything that is there, then...how 'bout that, huh, geez, had I only known. I remember back in the day we'd have conversations about which was better to masturbate to, Playboy or Penthouse. And sometimes some guy would jump up and start advocating for Hustler and it was, like, whooooa, ok, we're changing the subject now, we are not talking about the same kind of masturbation, even if we're both just stroking cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 I have first hand experience with the Onkyo. My best friend in Austin picked one up, and stuck it in his system that I am very familiar with as I gave him the PeachTree amp he uses and the Decware speakers he uses. It's a nice cd player, for the price. There are many better ones, but not at that price point that I've heard. I don't have experience with that Tascam model, but I do have experience with am older model that Steve Deckert of Decware modified with a tube outupt stage with volume control and tubed regulation. I never really enjoyed that modified version, it was too revealing, it made great recordings sound amazing in my system, but was not musical enough with less than stellar recordings. From the regular outs (not the Decware modded ones) it sounded. . . unexceptional. I think the Onkyo might have it beat by a bit, but I never compared the two of them in a system, and the Tascam is not the exact same model. Actually, I believe the Zen ZCD-200 CD player did use the same Tascam CD-200 I'm considering. According to the Decware website, even the newer Zen ZCD-240 "uses the same high-quality TEAC-made CD drive designed for audio as other models in the CD-200 series." I'm assuming that this is an endorsement of the Tascam, at least as far as the transport is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 I remember back in the day we'd have conversations about which was better to masturbate to, Playboy or Penthouse. And sometimes some guy would jump up and start advocating for Hustler and it was, like, whooooa, ok, we're changing the subject now, we are not talking about the same kind of masturbation, even if we're both just stroking cock. You were debating masturbating? Now that could make you go blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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