mjzee Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Anyone know about this? Amazon gives the "release date" (from some no-name label) as May 26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdtry Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm pretty sure Rockbeat Records is a legit label. They've put out some interesting things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 A friend of mine asked me about this a few weeks ago. From what I could tell, everything had already been released on various labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 The only live Afro Cubop with Bird I have is on a Spotlite LP, listed from about 1950 with Machito. The tunes are "Tanga" (if I remember right), "Lament of the Conga", and "Reminiscing at Twilight", a Dance number without solos. And I think it was some private recording made by Marshall Stearns..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtSalt Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 There's a full listing of the tracks and samples on Allmusic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 It's on Amazon too with the full listing. At least one track, "On the Alamo" isn't in Peter Losin's excellent discography. For $10.99 I think I'm going to take a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) It's on Amazon too with the full listing. At least one track, "On the Alamo" isn't in Peter Losin's excellent discography. For $10.99 I think I'm going to take a chance. The three titles that are known to exist from this Stan Kenton concert with Bird are Night and Day, My Funny Valentine, and Cherokee. This CD contains two more tracks with Kenton - On the Alamo and Manteca. Now the Pete Losin discography notes that there are more tracks with Bird rumored from this session, BUT...it also says that there are tracks from this date already reissued that have Dizzy Gillespie as the guest soloist rather than Bird, including On the Alamo and Manteca. Listening to the samples on Allmusic would suggest that these are indeed the tracks with Gillespie and not Bird http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/BirdSessions.aspx?s=540225 Edited May 22, 2015 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtSalt Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 It's worth a punt for the price, but if there's no Bird on some of the tracks, we've well and truly been had! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l p Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 losin will probably update his discography with this release in the near future. then you can make an informed decision on whether to get it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Trying to figure out how the Woody Herman stuff counts as "Cu-Bop" if it's the same "Bird With The Herd" material from KC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l p Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 i don't think that this record label has too much jazz experience. here is their R&B/JAZZ section http://www.rockbeatrecords.com/buy-dvd-cd/index.php?cPath=30_53 the parker is the only jazz item. that page did get me to read about ike turner on wiki, and how he "completed 18 months of his sentence before being released on parole in September 1991.... In prison he became a trustee working in the library and saved up $13,000 by selling cigarettes, candy bars and coffee to other inmates." which sounds like a big fat lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 What I might expect to see but don't is the Birdland tunes with Candido. This more than the Woody Herman things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam_44 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Rockbeat's James Booker release is excellent1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 I also saw the track list on amazon. it seems to be more a sampler than a recorded session or set. Cuban Holiday and another track seems to be from Bird with the Herd. The Candido tracks from Birdland ....I know only about two of them "Broadway" on "Summit Meeting at Birdland" with Candido just on "Broadway" for March 53, and later from May 53 "Cheryl". But it´s not really Cu-bop, it´s more standard Bird with Candido added. Until now, the only pure Afro Cuban "life" of Bird that I heard is the 3 tracks "Mambo", "Lament of Conga" and "Reminiscing at Twilight". Even Cuban Holiday from Woody Herman sounds more like just a bit of latin flavour from the theme......, the solos is just swing like the rest of the stuff.... Same with Kenton. As Al McKibbon said in an interview, Kenton tried to go with the latin wave for some time but didn´t know what to do with it. He just added two percussion players but didn´t know how to dig into their stuff......, I wouldn´t put down Kenton the way McKibbon did, but it really seems that Dizzy was the man when it came about the Jazz meets Cuba connection. And Howard McGhee with Brew Moore and the Machito Band, they really got involved in Machito´s music, even Brew Moore who just stuck with his Lester Young licks, but he did that all his live but could play anything..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtSalt Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 This release hasn't excited as much as the Charlie Parker South of the Border CD that was released back in 1995 as part of the Verve Bird 75 series. That was the peak of CD reissuing art that could compete with 12" vinyl release in terms of art-work and content, a really magnificant CD album of Bird's latin-jazz side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Placed an cover-my-bets pre-order for this and then forgot to cancel it after learning more details. Surprise! It arrived today. There is nothing on here at all that hasn't been booted before, so check your collection very carefully. The two additional Kenton cuts do indeed feature Dizzy. To add insult to injury, there are brief liner notes by Keith Emerson that are among the godandest dumb things I've ever read on any musical product, ever. Try this one on (punctuation intact): Some say to get his sound on his alto sax he'd use a penknife to trim down a tenor reed. Not to be outdone Dizzy had the bell of his horn accidentally raised so he could hear better of what came out the other end, and Ray Brown (Bass) would later use a bow, and become part of The Oscar Peterson Trio. Adaptability was and is the essence of jazz today. If you need the music, here it is, but otherwise, avoid at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 oh my god, those liner notes , that´s really dumb stuff , the most stupid thing I ever read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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