WTF Bill Cosby!!!

[Dan Gould]

2 minutes ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:

Dan - don't interpret this as a defense - but Cosby never acknowledged using quaaludes to drug women prior to sexual encounters without their consent. The media has made it out to be that way, but if you read the actual statements, he often stated that the women consented.

These "he said, she said" trials are tough to try in court. I personally think he did rape these women but I did not hear any testimony at this trial, with this woman, that would remove my "reasonable doubt", especially after hearing the testimony that she told a friend she could sue him for big money by lying.

I suggest that you take a look thru these excerpts from his deposition:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bill-cosby-quaalude-deposition-excerpts-20160523-snap-story.html

There are flat up statements without any consent, or clear statement that he says these are ludes.

I give her quaaludes. We then have sex.

Q: When you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?

A: Yes.

 

I know he claims that he was always straight up with women but that's an extremely questionable claim on his part.

Also Kevin I believe that if the victim said what was alleged, it was a generalized 'celebrity' not "I'm going to lie about Bill Cosby".

[Kevin Bresnahan]

20 minutes ago, Dan Gould said:

Also Kevin I believe that if the victim said what was alleged, it was a generalized 'celebrity' not "I'm going to lie about Bill Cosby".

Yes, that's true - but this still has to have given a juror "reasonable doubt" that the "she said" part of this trial was believable.

I could never sit on a jury for one of these trials. As a father of 2 daughters, I hate to think of a man taking advantage of them like this - I want to throw him jail. On the other hand, as a man who has seen a woman lie about an encounter simply to get a man arrested, I hate to think of a woman taking advantage of anyone like this - and I'd want to see her thrown in jail. Then there's that reasonable doubt thing... again, it's tough to try a "He said, she said". There's usually little to no physical evidence, which is usually necessary to convict. It all comes down to who is more believable.

You know, it doesn't matter what the denizens of this forum think. It's done. He's guilty in court.

[Dan Gould]

4 minutes ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:

 

You know, it doesn't matter what the denizens of this forum think. It's done. He's guilty in court.

And that his wife is bat-shit crazy.

[Scott Dolan]

Well, let’s calm down with that part. She’s obviously distraught, but that doesn’t mean she’s batshit. 

Her missive should have been intercepted by someone thinking more rationally, but it wasn’t. So we saw an emotional lashing out. As embarrassing as it was, I’m not sure any of us wouldn’t have made a similar plea were we in her position. 

[Teasing the Korean]

Does anyone remember Chris Albertson's Bill Cosby story?

[Dan Gould]

6 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said:

Does anyone remember Chris Albertson's Bill Cosby story?

I recall a few trying to disparage his support for jazz/jazz artists. Was there one shedding light on this particular aspect of Cos?

[Scott Dolan]

Chris never gave details, but Valerie did. 

 

[Teasing the Korean]

1 hour ago, Scott Dolan said:

Chris never gave details, but Valerie did. 

 

I didn't see the story I was thinking of.  IIRC, Chris was working as a jazz DJ in Philly in the 1950s and a guy named Bill used to call and complain about the stuff he was playing. 

[Scott Dolan]

Hmmmm...I don't recall that one. Though in fairness the story Valerie told in that thread I swore came from Chris when you asked about it earlier. So my memory certainly isn't the best on this subject. 

Edited May 4, 2018 by Scott Dolan

[sonnymax]

Cosby sentenced to 3-10 years. Denied bail on appeal. On his way to prison as we speak.

Edited September 25, 2018 by sonnymax

[Rooster_Ties]

19 minutes ago, sonnymax said:

Cosby sentenced to 3-10 years. Denied bail on appeal. On his way to prison as we speak.

Good. I hope it's a bit more than 3 years. 5 sounds about right, given his age and infirmity.

 

 

 

[Dan Gould]

Sad but completely appropriate.

Fact remains the defense has strong bases for appeal: allowing the civil suit deposition to come in, and the number of other victims allowed to testify in the second trial.

Part of me can't wait for the trainwreck of a statement that his wife is about to put out.  The other part wishes she could go serve time with him. I think she knew all along and has stuck with him regardless.

[Soulstation1]

Yesterday was judgement day for Bill 

Hope he passes away in prison 

[Soulstation1]

 

MFer knows his ass is guilty as charged 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Soulstation1

[Scott Dolan]

Did he drug you and take advantage? Why so fucking angry? 

 

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Many people are angry because Cosby got away with this for so long. If he had gotten arrested and jailed after the first one, there would be a lot less anger and at least 35 more women who might not have been raped.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Kevin Bresnahan

[Scott Dolan]

I guess I just find it impossible to take something like this so personally. 

[JSngry]

Personally, no, I see it as one more tragedy of human failing. But in terms of shifting the culture, I think it matters. We can't expect to evolve the expected behavior unless/until the consequences are as expected as possible. This does not run contrary to the notion of due process, I would hope.

But yeah, we got to get all the winks and excuses out of the very notion of sexually predatory behavior, and for that to happen, Cosby can do his time and....other things can happen as well, I'll leave it at that.

[Scott Dolan]

I can be disappointed in such human failings, but I can’t muster anger over it. While I wish he’d been caught decades ago, as Kevin suggested, to protect others from him, and him from himself, I’ve no issue with his sentence and feel he should serve the maximum amount. 

But calling him a motherfucker and wishing that he dies in prison is a level I just cannot sink to. In fairness, that may be tied to the fact that I work in rehabilitation and interact with sick people all the time. Addiction is the motherfucker of all motherfuckers. There are monsters, but there are also a lot of otherwise good people overtaken by a tidal wave of bad shit too enormous for them to withstand. Who knows which camp Cosby falls into, but not knowing him personally I will not condemn him to one or the other. 

The legal system worked, and showed yet again why it is so important to stand trial by a jury of your peers, and not by a jury of the families and friends of your victim. 

[Daniel A]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill-cosby-released-from-prison_n_60dca185e4b058eea49dfd29

[rostasi]

[Dan Gould]

Is anyone really shocked at this turn of events?  It was obvious at the time of the trial that there were two very strong grounds for appeal:

This, plus the trial judge also allowing testimony from others to show a pattern, when he was not on trial for those presumed offenses.

In the end, he will be recognized for what he did to others, up to and beyond the day he dies. Nothing is changed. He essentially admitted that qualudes were his preferred method of "seduction" and what victims described reminded me of nothing other than what I have found to be the very least erotic genre of porn, in which comatose women are violated.  That can't even register on my scale of "erotic" yet that's apparently how America's dad got his jollies. 

Anyway he's blind now (is that almost biblical punishment?), spent three years in prison, and will probably die soon. All things considered, including whether I thought the deposition should have been used, I'm OK with this in toto.