AllenLowe Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) from a 2010 concert; intense stuff: https://allenlowe.bandcamp.com/track/at-a-baptist-meeting Allen Lowe, alto sax; Darius Jones, alto sax; Ray Anderson, trombone; Roswell Rudd, trombone; Randy Sandke, trumpet; Lewis Porter, piano; Ray Suhy, guitar; Matt Mottel, keyboard; Jessie Hautala, bass; Jake Millett, electronic drums Edited February 3, 2016 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I happen to think this is the best thing I've ever done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Who is this for, Allen? I know you are a smart cat - I love Lester, Bird, Haig, Schildkraut, Lee etc. as you do - but serious questions remain. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 33 minutes ago, Quasimado said: Who is this for, Allen? I know you are a smart cat - I love Lester, Bird, Haig, Schildkraut, Lee etc. as you do - but serious questions remain. Q "Who is this for, Allen?" Kenny G fans everywhere? Without ignoring the specific virtues of Allen's work here, in terms of overall style there's little or nothing in this piece that would be alien to the ears of, say, an admirer of Mingus' music or Roswell Rudd's '60s work on Impulse ... and on and on. What are those "serious questions" then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 C'mon Larry: "(not) alien to the ears of, say, an admirer of Mingus' music or Roswell Rudd's '60s work on Impulse" is hardly a recommendation. The questions are (1) Who is this for? Allen knows Bird, Lee, Schildkraut etc.were playing real shit in the 50's - and then there was Ayler in the '60s ("Billie's Bounce" etc.) - so it's hardly for fans of your man KG - so who is it for? (2) Why is it the best thing he has done? Well, Allen said that - I have heard some other things from Allen that seemed more interesting ... sorry ...I'm not particularly knocking the excerpt, but it's hardly exciting, more a reflection of the dilemma many musicians find themselves in - feeling they have to keep ahead, even to the point of glorifying the primitiveness of the past. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 3 hours ago, Quasimado said: C'mon Larry: "(not) alien to the ears of, say, an admirer of Mingus' music or Roswell Rudd's '60s work on Impulse" is hardly a recommendation. The questions are (1) Who is this for? Allen knows Bird, Lee, Schildkraut etc.were playing real shit in the 50's - and then there was Ayler in the '60s ("Billie's Bounce" etc.) - so it's hardly for fans of your man KG - so who is it for? (2) Why is it the best thing he has done? Well, Allen said that - I have heard some other things from Allen that seemed more interesting ... sorry ...I'm not particularly knocking the excerpt, but it's hardly exciting, more a reflection of the dilemma many musicians find themselves in - feeling they have to keep ahead, even to the point of glorifying the primitiveness of the past. Q 'C'mon Larry: "(not) alien to the ears of, say, an admirer of Mingus' music or Roswell Rudd's '60s work on Impulse" is hardly a recommendation.' It's not? Besides -- I'm not recommending or, if you will, selling Allen's work in this particular instance, I'm just trying to figure out what the thinking was behind your "Who is this for?" You've now made it clear, unless I don't understand you at all, that the music of Mingus and Rudd are, for two, beyond the pale ("hardly a recommendation"). But Ayler's "Billie's Bounce" is OK by you? I'm bemused. And what "primitiveness of the past" do you have in mind? BTW, my mention of Kenny G was sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I think it's "for" anybody who hears it and likes it. That's not particularly complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uli Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 36 minutes ago, JSngry said: I think it's "for" anybody who hears it and likes it. That's not particularly complicated. yeah, for people like me if there are any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) sorry, didn't realize there was a discussion going on - the reason I feel good about this piece is because I feel like jazz musicians rarely do gospel and/or blues really well, at least in the old-style sense. And this is one of those performances where the quality of the musicians happened to fuse with a particularly inspired night to produce something which evokes the sense of the real old-style gospel better than anything I have heard in a jazz performance. Particularly the interaction of the 2 trombones, and Darius' closing solo (I take the first alto solo; if he had gone first I would have sat this one out) - apparently not for all tastes, which is fine. But I do get great satisfaction at organizing performances like these. as for the need to 'keep ahead' - anybody who knows me knows that I have never really worried about things like that (well, I worry about, it but in the end I just do what I do). Edited February 7, 2016 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I thought the piece was good; I enjoyed listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 OK – I’ve listened a few times, and now I like it – to the point I’d like to hear more of what the band could do. I guess I sounded off, and I should have waited – after all it took me 50 years to hear Ayler. So, who is it for? Me, of course … Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 it grows on you - like a fungus..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 My only struggle is with the fidelity -- the composition and the playing seem first rate, but are rendered murkily. Just my .02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 yes, very reverberent room; also, the engineer should have done more close mic'ing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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