duaneiac Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) I've also always liked this song. It was a mild hit for Johnny Cash in the late 1970's and then he spent pretty much all of the 1980's off of country radio stations (at least here in the US) as they made room for newer performers and old guys like him, Merle Haggard, Porter Waggoner, Buck Owens, Ray Price, etc. were overlooked for awhile. Glen Campbell also had a weekly TV series back in the late 1960's & early 70's. He seemed like a nice guy, a very good musician and singer, but he also seemed to be an "image" to me, whereas Johnny Cash seemed authentic. To my mind at least, the Johnny Cash I saw on TV was probably not that different from the Johnny Cash that existed in the real world, while the TV Glen Campbell seemed to be an act that may or may not have reflected the real nature of Glen Campbell. Certainly Mr. Campbell's clean-cut image took a hit during his wild Tanya Tucker years (an era not mentioned at all in the I'll Be Me documentary film). I do regret that I never got to see either of them perform in person. Edited February 18, 2016 by duaneiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
page Posted February 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) I'm sure Johnny Cash was authentic, I've always felt so from the moment I first heard him. Glen Campbell I don't really know and I didn't really want to compare them since I actually can't do it for lack of knowledge about Glen's music. The documentary was lovely though, it was about his goodbye tour when he had Alzheimers and he and his family want to do a proper goodbye to his fans. That alone touched me itself. A lot of love in that family, he was a lucky guy. A lot of singers, instrumentalists too probably, have some kind of act. It doesn't necessarily mean they are not genuine, maybe just a way they feel comfortable with doing on stage presenting themselves. There are just a few who dare to lay their soul completely bare on stage, it isn't easy but it feels good when you can let the music speak for you and just go with it without hesitaton. I think it was that way for Johnny Cash. Edited February 18, 2016 by page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Glenn Campbell was a career-minded totally badass player and singer from the country who went to L.A. to become a star. That may or may not be "noble", but I think it's plenty authentic, because as far as I can tell, he never pretended or projected otherwise. We freely acknowledge (sometimes to the point of fetishism, imo) the "divided spirit" between secular and sacred of African-American pop artists of a certain era, but that conflict cuts across cultural (and chronological) boundaries, and it extends into the any culture's realms of "crossover" vs "native". Whatever the reason, I think Glenn Campbell was a soulful cat relative at least to his own world, and quite often outside of it. I don't think you can be any more soulful than to be all of who you are, no matter what that ends up being. Be profound, be cheesy, just tell no lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 21 hours ago, JSngry said: Be profound, be cheesy, just tell no lies. YES!!!! Though I've never liked either Cash or Campbell. More of a barrier between me and that kind of music than R&B/Jazz MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 What, you've never shot a man in Reno just to watch him die? Hell, even I've done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Love him. I'd rather hear Johnny Cash tell a story singing certain jazz instrumentalists giving recitations or trying too hard to be slick and 'hip'. It all depends who and what, naturally. I repeat: I love Johnny Cash... I reimagined Folsom Prison Blues as a slow blues a la the Red Garland Trio... Call it my tribute... Edited February 19, 2016 by fasstrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 When Johnny Cash sings, I believe what he's saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
page Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Cheesy? That's easy when you come from around the windmills, they call us "cheeseheads". 21 hours ago, fasstrack said: Love him. I'd rather hear Johnny Cash tell a story singing certain jazz instrumentalists giving recitations or trying too hard to be slick and 'hip'. It all depends who and what, naturally. I repeat: I love Johnny Cash... I reimagined Folsom Prison Blues as a slow blues a la the Red Garland Trio... Call it my tribute... You can do some more encores, I won't mind. I LOVE HIM too! For exactly the same reason as you. I'd love to hear that imagination should you decide to want to record that. Edited February 20, 2016 by page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 1 hour ago, page said: Cheesy? That's easy when you come from around the windmills, they call us "cheeseheads". The English call you cloggies MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 How did Glen Campbell get into this? I always preferred Tanya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
page Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Magnificent Goldberg said: The English call you cloggies MG "cloggy - definition A particular breed of human who inhabit an exceedingly flat country bordering on the North Sea. Commonly over 6' tall, sporting a bushy moustache which does nothing to hide their enomous overbite, often seen riding ancient bicycles without due care and attention, and famed for wearing wooden shoes (clogs), from which their name derives. More likely to be on state-sponsored indefinite sick leave than have a job, these animals stack themselves into state-sponsored apartment blocks in the most densely populated area of northern Europe. Often seen in other parts of the world in their caravans, liberally stocked with chocolate sprinkles (to be eaten on bread), Heineken, meat croquettes, and porno mags, shocked that they are above sea level and not quite sure how to deal with the rarified air of the Cambridgeshire mountains. Children and dogs are usually untrained." Hm, interesting. When possible I'd be happy to listen to your English view over drinks some time, MG. Then you'd see I do not grow a moustace of any kind for one and I'dtell you my personal story with this guy named 'Heineken' and why I would never drink his beer. So a few differences amongs us clogs. I would treat you to some nice cheese from the lokal area which serves well with a drink and then have a few good laughs. Edited February 20, 2016 by page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 On 2/18/2016 at 6:02 PM, JSngry said: Glenn Campbell was a career-minded totally badass player and singer from the country who went to L.A. to become a star. That may or may not be "noble", but I think it's plenty authentic, because as far as I can tell, he never pretended or projected otherwise. We freely acknowledge (sometimes to the point of fetishism, imo) the "divided spirit" between secular and sacred of African-American pop artists of a certain era, but that conflict cuts across cultural (and chronological) boundaries, and it extends into the any culture's realms of "crossover" vs "native". Whatever the reason, I think Glenn Campbell was a soulful cat relative at least to his own world, and quite often outside of it. I don't think you can be any more soulful than to be all of who you are, no matter what that ends up being. Be profound, be cheesy, just tell no lies. I did not know Glen was gay.....not that there is anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 On 2/20/2016 at 1:21 PM, page said: Cheesy? That's easy when you come from around the windmills, they call us "cheeseheads". You can do some more encores, I won't mind. I LOVE HIM too! For exactly the same reason as you. I'd love to hear that imagination should you decide to want to record that. If I get the chance to record it I will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Jim, isn't that Hal Blaine in the photo with Glen Campbell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Sure looks like just him if it's not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 On 20/02/2016 at 9:24 PM, page said: "cloggy - definition A particular breed of human who inhabit an exceedingly flat country bordering on the North Sea. Commonly over 6' tall, sporting a bushy moustache which does nothing to hide their enomous overbite, often seen riding ancient bicycles without due care and attention, and famed for wearing wooden shoes (clogs), from which their name derives. More likely to be on state-sponsored indefinite sick leave than have a job, these animals stack themselves into state-sponsored apartment blocks in the most densely populated area of northern Europe. Often seen in other parts of the world in their caravans, liberally stocked with chocolate sprinkles (to be eaten on bread), Heineken, meat croquettes, and porno mags, shocked that they are above sea level and not quite sure how to deal with the rarified air of the Cambridgeshire mountains. Children and dogs are usually untrained." Hm, interesting. When possible I'd be happy to listen to your English view over drinks some time, MG. Then you'd see I do not grow a moustace of any kind for one and I'dtell you my personal story with this guy named 'Heineken' and why I would never drink his beer. So a few differences amongs us clogs. I would treat you to some nice cheese from the lokal area which serves well with a drink and then have a few good laughs. Strange as it may seem, my Dutch Uncle was Dutch - the husband of my Mum's best friend. He had a big moustache and drank Heineken. He was guide for American tourist coach trips across Europe ('If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium'). Eventually, he went into politics and became a local government councillor - independent, because he thought parties were rubbish; that competitive election manifestos were a means of increasing public spending, as parties had to make promises and the winners had to fulfil some of them. (It's very hard to cut public spending; very easy to increase it.) VERY intelligent guy! MG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_uncle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
page Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, fasstrack said: If I get the chance to record it I will... I'll keep my fingers crossed then! 2 hours ago, The Magnificent Goldberg said: Strange as it may seem, my Dutch Uncle was Dutch - the husband of my Mum's best friend. He had a big moustache and drank Heineken. He was guide for American tourist coach trips across Europe ('If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium'). Eventually, he went into politics and became a local government councillor - independent, because he thought parties were rubbish; that competitive election manifestos were a means of increasing public spending, as parties had to make promises and the winners had to fulfil some of them. (It's very hard to cut public spending; very easy to increase it.) VERY intelligent guy! MG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_uncle I see. Well, maybe I'm not most average Dutch person probably, since lots drink Heineken. Among women, Dutch ones, there are more like me without moustace I think... Edited February 23, 2016 by page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwbol Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 On 23 Feb 2016 at 9:37 AM, The Magnificent Goldberg said: Strange as it may seem, my Dutch Uncle was Dutch - the husband of my Mum's best friend. He had a big moustache and drank Heineken. He was guide for American tourist coach trips across Europe ('If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium'). Eventually, he went into politics and became a local government councillor - independent, because he thought parties were rubbish; that competitive election manifestos were a means of increasing public spending, as parties had to make promises and the winners had to fulfil some of them. (It's very hard to cut public spending; very easy to increase it.) VERY intelligent guy! MG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_uncle Tonyrefail Squat Cobbler marries Dutch Apple Ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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