chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 k so i ordered a cheap copy of the Albert Ammons Memorial Album: which is 3 of the original blue note 78 rpm discs it apparently is rvg etched, this issue....how did rvg do it, from tape sources? mosaic later reissued it too, the 1st thing they ever did i see.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 It was not recorded on tape. It was originally done on acetate. This 10" came out in 1951, well before Lion met rvg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 oh ok that descip i read was bogus then but yea i have this commin'- so when they made this i wonder if they went back to the acetates or just like the actual 78s or ? yea- thanks for clearin that up about rvg- i guess that is a little early lolz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 And the Albert Ammons/Meade Lux Lewis was the third release by Mosaic, not the first. That was the Thelonious Monk Blue Note set on LP, followed by the Gerry Mulligan/Chet Baker set (the first to be released on cd). I'd like to find that Ammons/Lewis set on cd. gregmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 21 hours ago, gmonahan said: And the Albert Ammons/Meade Lux Lewis was the third release by Mosaic, not the first. That was the Thelonious Monk Blue Note set on LP, followed by the Gerry Mulligan/Chet Baker set (the first to be released on cd). I'd like to find that Ammons/Lewis set on cd. gregmo If memory serves, they were all three released concurrently...am I mis-remembering that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 7 hours ago, JSngry said: If memory serves, they were all three released concurrently...am I mis-remembering that? That's possible. The earliest flyer I have is #4, and it shows several releases. But the Monk Blue Note was 101, the Mulligan was 102, and the Ammons/Lewis was 103. gregmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Right. I remember being on board with Mosaic - paying for the Monk - from the beginning. Even before they even had product ready. There was a delay there that was, uh...uncomfortable, But I seem to remember that that first release, the first wave of advertising, was the trio of Monk/Mulligan/Ammons-Lewis. I can tell you that my want was to get all three, but my money only allowed for the Monk. I could be off on this, but that's my memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 IIRC the Monk was relased first, and the next two followed. I, too, got the Monk immediately and the others some time later - when I think how complicated payment was back then ... I had to get a cheque in US-$ from my local bank and send it to Mosaic as a registered letter, pay bank and postage fees and waited for weeks until I had any confirmation, holding my breath. Today with e-mail and credit cards or PayPal it's all a piece of cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 You may be right about release order. I really am cloudy on that. I do remember the gap between sending payment and receiving product, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Where was Mosaic advertising in the pre-internet years? Downbeat, I'm sure. How about major record store chains? Any reasons why they didn't want to distribute product in the record stores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 32 minutes ago, Dmitry said: Where was Mosaic advertising in the pre-internet years? Downbeat, I'm sure. How about major record store chains? Any reasons why they didn't want to distribute product in the record stores? Profit margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 I learned about Mosaic from down beat ads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 16 hours ago, mikeweil said: I learned about Mosaic from down beat ads. Me too--a fairly small ad on one side of a page, as I remember. Sent for a flyer, and my bank account as been at odds with my ears ever since! gregmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 19 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said: Profit margin. I know nothing of record business, but wouldn't their exposure have been exponentially greater if they sold through retail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) They would have to sell more than twice as many copies to get the same dollars. For a typical cd of $15-16 the label sells to a national distributor for around $7.50 and pays the freight to the distributor. The distributor sells to the retailer for around $10 and the retailer sells for ....... And then the label has to wait for a minimum of 90 days to get paid. And the distributor will not pay for anything sitting on their shelves. Sales are "guaranteed" by the labels so the distributor has the right to return stock to them. Edited February 8, 2017 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Sounds like a very tough racket for a small label. Things must've improved in the internet age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Let me know how that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Direct sales, like Mosaic? Or it doesn't apply in your case for some reason or another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I do sales from my web site and a couple of sources and it helps the margins but direct sales work best with the cachet of limited edition / exclusivity. Also, when you are working with living artists and trying to promote their careers the "exclusivity" thing doesn't work. They want the material everywhere and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 So the demise of the brick and mortar shops, and their replacement with the on-line shops really didn't open a window for increased number of sales for you? The formula is still the same, going through a distributor, waiting to get paid, etc.? How do you know how many copies of a particular title to print? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 The formula is still the same and the sales are much smaller. You guess about the size of your initial pressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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