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On 11/15/2020 at 3:44 AM, jazzcorner said:

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Never listened to Supersax but have seen these records. I see they started as a Bird tribute group but were they kind of a precursor to the WSQ but with a rhythm section? Or were they always more big band-ish with traditional charts, etc.? 

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27 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

 

 

Never listened to Supersax but have seen these records. I see they started as a Bird tribute group but were they kind of a precursor to the WSQ but with a rhythm section? Or were they always more big band-ish with traditional charts, etc.? 

Probably more the latter in a way, if you can call transcribed Bird solos traditional. A trumpet or trombone is usually added to the charts for variety and for solos (they had the best - Conte Candoli, Blue Mitchell, Frank Rosolino, Carl Fontana).  On the studio recordings there are no saxophone solos; however in concert there were. But those Bird transcriptions took some serious woodshedding, I'm sure. I haven't heard the WSQ that much but I really don't see a connection at all. 

Going to add a story here. Back in the 70's Supersax was booked for a two day jazz festival in Toronto with a performance each day. They flew into Toronto and believe it or not, the airline "lost" the book. But one of the saxophone players had kept his book with him on the plane and the rest crowded together, trying to read his book and play their own parts. It really didn't go so well. Just too demanding even for these guys.  They wound up playing the heads and jamming through the tunes with lengthy solos. But by the second today the lost book had been found and they really nailed it. 

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28 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

 

 

Never listened to Supersax but have seen these records. I see they started as a Bird tribute group but were they kind of a precursor to the WSQ but with a rhythm section? Or were they always more big band-ish with traditional charts, etc.? 

Not a big fan of Supersax as originally conceived and executed, albeit the expertise of the playing was undeniable, but once Warne Marsh came aboard and got solo room, their albums were essential. The setup on every track IIRC was a sax section reproduction of Parker's recorded solo on that piece, followed by a solo the Supersax's' brass player at the time (IIRC Conte Candoli  or a trombonist (Carl Fontana?) -- later on, as mentioned above, Warne Marsh often got a taste and played lights out.

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I just have one album with a Warne solo, a live one from Japan...what others are there? I'd want them.

7 minutes ago, John Tapscott said:

But those Bird transcriptions took some serious woodshedding, I'm sure.

More than "some", LOL. I bought that first record and was totally impressed just that it happened at all, but re-listened after a few years (after the novelty wore off, which wasn't long), and they're, not exactly "sloppy", but in terms of typical California-studio section playing, it was actually almost "sloppy", which is really how I think it should have bee, really, everybody needs to feel it, not just read it.

Along the Supersax line, though, my meticulously crafted Billy Eckstine Spotify channel has been feeding me the album that Joe Willimas made with Dave Pell's Prez Conference, and htat is a far more listenable proposition for me. Not sure if that band made a strictly instrumental album or not...not sure if I care?

Don Ellis had the right idea (if there really is such at thing), take a Bird solo and orchestrate it for an orchestra, break it up between sections.

 

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23 minutes ago, JSngry said:

I just have one album with a Warne solo, a live one from Japan...what others are there? I'd want them.

More than "some", LOL. I bought that first record and was totally impressed just that it happened at all, but re-listened after a few years (after the novelty wore off, which wasn't long), and they're, not exactly "sloppy", but in terms of typical California-studio section playing, it was actually almost "sloppy", which is really how I think it should have bee, really, everybody needs to feel it, not just read it.

Along the Supersax line, though, my meticulously crafted Billy Eckstine Spotify channel has been feeding me the album that Joe Willimas made with Dave Pell's Prez Conference, and htat is a far more listenable proposition for me. Not sure if that band made a strictly instrumental album or not...not sure if I care?

Don Ellis had the right idea (if there really is such at thing), take a Bird solo and orchestrate it for an orchestra, break it up between sections.

 

Can't say without listening again that Warne solos on any of these -- IIRC he got a taste mostly on, maybe only on, the two "Japanese Tour" albums (Hindsight) -- but Warne is also  on the band on "Supersax Plays Bird" (Capitol) and "Supersax: Chasin' the Bird" (MPS).

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