corto maltese Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Sold on Ebay yesterday for $1,775...These were the seller's comments: "looks like an unreleased Dogtown LP !! matrix n° on side a is "dogtown 7"/side b "dogtown 8" (hand-written); very spare and out there music, one side it's under Byard Lancaster/other side by Khan Jamal. could be two different sets as i don't hear for example any vibes on the Lancaster side and viceversa (no sax on Jamal side) ?! unfortunatly not much info on who plays on it (it'd be a trio or 4et on each side ?!) and where it was rec. but without any doubts one of the rarest LP i ever offered for sale in the last 20 years, could easily be the only copy in existence". I am unconvinced, but I'd like to hear other opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) Wow, what a price someone paid! Great to see that. Could be a something I've never heard, or could be a compilation of soome tracks from the albums each of them did for the Philly Jazz label..? Byard Lancaster- EXODUS PJ-1001 Khan Jamal - THE RIVER PJ-1002 Edited May 8, 2017 by Dmitry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 According to discogs, The River is a vibraphone-marimbaphone duo album... if that's the material on Side 2, the seller's description would be quite misleading... "comments: looks like an unreleased Dogtown LP !! matrix n° on side a is "dogtown 7"/side b "dogtown 8" (hand-written); very spare and out there music, one side it's under Byard Lancaster/other side by Khan Jamal. could be two different sets as i don't hear for example any vibes on the Lancaster side and viceversa (no sax on Jamal side) ?! unfortunatly not much info on who plays on it (it'd be a trio or 4et on each side ?!) and where it was rec. but without any doubts one of the rarest LP i ever offered for sale in the last 20 years, could easily be the only copy in existence." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 It's a bootleg made by the seller, Emanuele Pinotti. He's done this before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said: It's a bootleg made by the seller, Emanuele Pinotti. He's done this before. Really? Damn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Yes. Probably got this stuff off of dime and had it pressed up with Dogtown etchings. He's legendary for these antics but people with money keep buying stuff from him and presumably don't care. He was also selling LPs of stuff grabbed from the old WKCR archives streaming site in editions of 99. Truly crass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Thanks for sharing this information. I wouldn't have bought one of his bootlegs, but others might have been interested before your warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 yeah, it's hard to tell what you're getting sometimes, but with those paste-on covers and frequently cited as "no label" from Italy, they're all his. He also booted the rare Ron Everett "Glitter from the City" LP and sold it as an old-stock original. Nothing new in the world of psych and private rock dealing over the decades, but in jazz these waters are a little more uncharted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 I wish I saw the Gennaro Gattuso #8 AC Milan shirt he sold for a measly $9. That was a good teal. http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Milan-original-XL-t-shirt-NEW-n-8-SIGNED-by-Rino-Gattuso-intact-Champions-/311848680158?hash=item489ba13ade%3Ag%3A0ssAAOSwzqFY85Ln&nma=true&si=ym0%252B8S2GYmn9SIYv3KOjEpBBcKc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corto maltese Posted May 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 5 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: Yes. Probably got this stuff off of dime and had it pressed up with Dogtown etchings. He's legendary for these antics but people with money keep buying stuff from him and presumably don't care. He was also selling LPs of stuff grabbed from the old WKCR archives streaming site in editions of 99. Truly crass. Yes, the Charles Tyler live and studio recordings from a couple of years back. But with those releases (even if they were not legitimate) there was no cover-up story about the origin of the recording. While this "Dogtown test pressing" would be a counterfeit and -even more remarkable (and without becoming too metaphysical )- a counterfeit of a record which doesn't even exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Buyer beware, indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 7 hours ago, corto maltese said: While this "Dogtown test pressing" would be a counterfeit and -even more remarkable (and without becoming too metaphysical )- a counterfeit of a record which doesn't even exist. he booted that Art Jackson's Atrocity (Henry Kaiser) thing as well, which was circulating for several years as a download until he put it out as a limited LP. He's also done this with stuff from Sun Ra trees. Here's another example and another example. Funkadelic is pretty funny, clearly just wrote on an old beat up stock black cover with glitter pen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 I don't do Ebay. Do buyers give feedback on sellers? I'd like to read some of the feedback on this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpope Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, paul secor said: I don't do Ebay. Do buyers give feedback on sellers? I'd like to read some of the feedback on this guy. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=uncle_b_jay&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=311848680158&sspagename=VIP%3Afeedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Link doesn't work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Didn't work for me either, but I searched for the seller (uncle_b_jay). To my great surprise, only positive feedback showed. But on further reflection, I wouldn't expect a buyer to spring for a murky-looking $1,775 item unless the eBay feedback was good. I rarely visit eBay any more, and am even less likely to now! Edited May 9, 2017 by T.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 I assume people spending that kind of money do not either know or care if something is a fake. EBay also won't take that stuff down as they stand to make quite a bit of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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