jazzbo Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) The Atomic and the Roulette Hefti material were included in the Complete Roulette Studio Recordings Mosaic set. Edited October 9, 2022 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, jazzbo said: The Atomic and the Roulette Hefti material were included in the Complete Roulette Studio Recordings Mosaic set. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 What's the going rate for that set these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) A look at dicogs.com or completed items on eBay will be informative. Edited October 9, 2022 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, JSngry said: What's the going rate for that set these days? The Fresh Sounds goes for under $20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 No Fresh Sounds for me, just the Mosaic. I didn't really want it for a long time. Now I think I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 2:05 PM, jazzbo said: A look at dicogs.com or completed items on eBay will be informative. Between $350 and $500. It's a valuable set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) Anyone know anything about Cutting Butter: The Complete Columbia Recordings 1939-1942? It's on a label called Sugabeat. Never heard of it. Another one is Complete 1941-1951 Columbia Recordings on Definitive. Is that any good? It's a little frustrating that with all these Mosaic sets and whatnot there are still parts of the Basie canon on Columbia that I don't have and in some cases haven't heard. I was listening to The Count Basie Story today and heard the tune Red Bank Boogie, which the booklet mentioned was a remake of a tune Basie recorded on Dec 6, 1944. But then when I looked for that first Red Bank Boogie in my collection, I discovered I didn't have it. Harrumph! Edited January 11, 2023 by Stompin at the Savoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) Is there much of a problem in obtaining one of the Columbia/CBS sets? Or are you totally averse to vinyl? There was a series of six 2-LP sets in the CBS Jazzline reissue series that is pretty well done (covering the ground from the Jones-Smith inc. recordings to the 10 April 1951 session. And there were two 10-LP box sets of the complete Columbia recordings in the CBS Special products line that include more alternate takes - sometimes up to 4 or 5 versions of one single tune (that you either think you need or you don't). I have no problems with the Public Domain reissue sets as they are totally legal in Europe. (As for the USA, well ... ? ) But are they that impossible to avoid in THIS case? Particularly since it is not likely that the Public Domain labels have unearthed sensational new first-generation sources or improved vastly on the masterings. Edited January 11, 2023 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said: Is there much of a problem in obtaining one of the Columbia/CBS sets? Or are you totally averse to vinyl? There was a series of six 2-LP sets in the CBS Jazzline reissue series that is pretty well done (covering the ground from the Jones-Smith inc. recordings to the 10 April 1951 session. And there were two 10-LP box sets of the complete Columbia recordings in the CBS Special products line that include more alternate takes - sometimes up to 4 or 5 versions of one single tune (that you either think you need or you don't). I have no problems with the Public Domain reissue sets as they are totally legal in Europe. (As for the USA, well ... ? ) But are they that impossible to avoid in THIS case? Particularly since it is not likely that the Public Domain labels have unearthed sensational new first-generation sources or improved vastly on the masterings. I don't have any vinyl. What I had disappeared in 1970 when I went off to college. So I don't have a turntable. I'm probably not going to get one either. I still have the cd disks but I basically listen to music in digital environments: pc, recent walkman, iphone, ipad, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said: I don't have any vinyl. What I had disappeared in 1970 when I went off to college. So I don't have a turntable. I'm probably not going to get one either. I still have the cd disks but I basically listen to music in digital environments: pc, recent walkman, iphone, ipad, etc. A side note/question: What did you do, then, between 1970 and the advent of CDs? Cassettes only?? Anyway ... if what you listen to is these digital "environments" you mention, why do you bother worrying about those P.D. sets at all ? Presentation doesn't matter anyway, then, so either grab those that suit you (fidelity isn't that bad these days with the typical P.D. sets - and somehow I cannot imagine that an iphone or "recent walkman" will be hooked up to a high-end audio system day in, day out ). Or maybe there is a straight digital source to obtain the tracks you are after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) With a decent set of headphones the walkman is actually a pretty good system, maybe even equal to some expensive setups. You can certainly exploit whatever is on a cd - having ripped it to a lossless format - and detect differences of sound quality. That sounded suspiciously like a disdainful looking down the nose at my equipment or listening environment. You wouldn't do that, would you? My question was what do you know about these releases. As far as equipment since 1970 - I've led a wandering life, in school on both coasts of the US and living abroad many years. I did not collect much stuff. I listened to a lot of music on radio - VOA and US forces radio (Willis Conover!). For a long time I had a cassette walkman and kept some cassettes. Wore out some Charlie Parker Savoy cassettes. Eventually I think I became the last person in the country to get a cd player and since then it has been cd's and digital files of one sort or another. Edited January 11, 2023 by Stompin at the Savoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 I am just making assumptions about the "typical" listening environment with this kind of devices. With no judgment intended. And no, I am no high-end geek either. And you are taking some remarks a wee bit too seriously. And my reply as to these P.D. reissues - I can only comment on Definitive CDs. Those I have are all in all really quite OK soundwise and I cannot complain about the value-for-money results. The Definitive package you mention seems to cover the ground of the second Columbia 10-LP set, so expect the Definitive remastering (whatever remastering of their own they may have done) to be based on that one. The "Essential Count Basie" CDs on CBS ("Columbia Jazz Masterpieces" series) seem to run to only 3 CDs so cannot have covered the whole ground of the 1941-51 period. So prior remasterings reused by Definitive as a basis must have come from elsewhere. BUT - in case you haven't noticed yet these P.D. reissues are a red flag to quite a few around here as a matter of principle (for various reasons I won't comment on). So mentioning labels like these might incur a risk of getting replies to the tone of "they are no good because they are P.D. labels that take advantage of European P.D. laws so they cannot be good anyway" (and "buying them is unethical", etc. etc.). This won't help you either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said: I am just making assumptions about the "typical" listening environment with this kind of devices. With no judgment intended. And no, I am no high-end geek either. And you are taking some remarks a wee bit too seriously. And my reply as to these P.D. reissues - I can only comment on Definitive CDs. Those I have are all in all really quite OK soundwise and I cannot complain about the value-for-money results. The Definitive package you mention seems to cover the ground of the second Columbia 10-LP set, so expect the Definitive remastering (whatever remastering of their own they may have done) to be based on that one. The "Essential Count Basie" CDs on CBS ("Columbia Jazz Masterpieces" series) seem to run to only 3 CDs so cannot have covered the whole ground of the 1941-51 period. So prior remasterings reused by Definitive as a basis must have come from elsewhere. BUT - in case you haven't noticed yet these P.D. reissues are a red flag to quite a few around here as a matter of principle (for various reasons I won't comment on). So mentioning labels like these might incur a risk of getting replies to the tone of "they are no good because they are P.D. labels that take advantage of European P.D. laws so they cannot be good anyway" (and "buying them is unethical", etc. etc.). This won't help you either. Oh well you know I own several of those euro collections. Hey sometimes that's all that's available without hocking your guitar... But I do try to hold out when I can for releases that had access to some type of original masters. And indeed often those produced by some of the big labels or Mosaic do sound a lot better. In this case Columbia has let us all down and probably will never issue this holy stuff, so .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said: 1) Hey sometimes that's all that's available without hocking your guitar... 2) But I do try to hold out when I can for releases that had access to some type of original masters. 3) In this case Columbia has let us all down and probably will never issue this holy stuff, so .... 1) Only too true ... 2) True and sensible too. Same here, but trying to hold out sometimes just is in vain. 3) A fact already bemoaned by the (printed) All Music Guide long ago (referring to U.S. CBS, as opposed to what French CBS actually DID reissue in a comprehensive manner - see my first post) ... But nothing has changed since, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 I guess there isn't much market for Basie in the US? It seems a shame because, you know, Basie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 Check out Spotify, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 I´m not really a Basie specialist, but I always liked that Basie Beat with Freddie Green on guitar. Only, sorry to say there are other guitarists even now who try to copy that style of 4 beat chords in combo playing and it doesn´t have that timbre Freddie Green had. With Freddie Green you more "felt" it than you "heard" it. But if you turn the volume up and do it, it´s too dominant and it covers other instruments or forces other players to go into a certain direction they otherwise wouldn´t go into. You can do it as a kinda gimmick but not keep doin it in a modern jazz combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 I ordered the 36-41 and 41-45 volumes of this Fresh Sounds/Definitive set, Complete 1941-1951 Columbia Recordings of Count Basie. Unfortunately the discogs seller of 36-41 goofed and sent 41-51 so I guess I've got two of these... Don't you hate that? Anyway, this 41-51 set is pretty good. The sound is not bad. Some of it may be lifted from Chronological Classics I suspect and every now and then you hear some phonograph record surface noise, faintly. It's somewhat bass heavy and treble light. But the good is: there is an awful lot of 40's Basie in here that is not included on any Columbia or Mosaic cd releases. I'm a little bit floored by how much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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