Hardbopjazz Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) A quick glance of this makes you believe there are three tracks from Turrentine's "Up at Minton's" which wasn't issued before. A closer look shows that is not the case. Disc 1 is mainly Turrentine's "ZT Blues." The three so called bonus tracks are they actually unissued music? Complete Recordings + 3 Bonus Tracks Edited December 16, 2017 by Hardbopjazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin Bresnahan Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I've been told by Michael Cuscuna that only the LP master tapes exist from Turrentine's "Up At Minton's". There is no other material from that remote recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 No, I think the last three 'bonus tracks' are from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comin%27_On! If the misssing tracks from Mintons were found and issued, it would be MAJOR, IMHO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 There is no honor among thieves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 This unfortunate way of adding "bonuses" to pretend the buyer gets extra value through extra playing time of a CD has been going on for a long time and is neither flesh nor fowl IMO as often the extra material is added at random. I did not particularly like this with certain Fresh Sound reissues (as these bonuses often split up existing sessions so do not add much for those who'd like sessions in their entirety so if they get the entire sessions somewhere else these bonuses are useless - if they do not already have them anyway) but this has also happened with reissues on other labels. So there are many guilty parties. Even if it is not even a matter of "thieves" (non-retroactive P.D. laws, remember? ) In this particular case, however, I cannot see how the buyer could have been misled. The back cover clearly says where the extra tracks came from and since the lineup is a totally different one it cannot have come from the Up at Minton's session anyway. Reading the fine print of line-ups and recording dates has become a required art IMO ever simce they started to reissue stuff on CD. Too much attempts (often inept ones) to fill up CDs with RANDOM (instead of carefuly collated) tracks when the original LP playing time would have been a bit meager. And is that Comin' On session really that obscure - release/reissue-wise? What I find much more annoying when it comes to misleading buyers in the reissue field is crediting recordings to persons who NEVER were the original leaders of the session (and in some cases not even the #1 featured soloist) and not even mentioning this in the "fine print". Has happened VERY often with artist compilations. Of course it is tempting to market the music under a name that became a "major" name after the (original) fact but these reissues actually should be labeled as V.A. reissues. (Wishful thinking? Yes, of course, but still ...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I'm also no fan of reissues with slapdash unrelated tracks added. Or lousy labels that claim music is previously unreleased when it can be found on earlier releases. Drummer Pete "La Roca" Sims sued when his album Turkish Women At the Bath was reissued under Chick Corea's name. I don't know how many others have taken similar action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 11 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: What I find much more annoying when it comes to misleading buyers in the reissue field is crediting recordings to persons who NEVER were the original leaders of the session (and in some cases not even the #1 featured soloist) and not even mentioning this in the "fine print". Has happened VERY often with artist compilations. Of course it is tempting to market the music under a name that became a "major" name after the (original) fact but these reissues actually should be labeled as V.A. reissues. (Wishful thinking? Yes, of course, but still ...) This brings to mind the horrible digital-only reissue series by Nagel-Heyer that's been criticized here before: previous discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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