JSngry Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 On "Speak Low", my copy has what appears to be a transfer error, trumpet playing over the end of land's solo. Is this a known defect, and what correctives are available to the earnest consumer of and in today's CD marketplace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 It's an imperfect edit carried over from my 50 year old stereo lp. I'd be curious to know if it is the same on an original mono pressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Ah, an edit, thanks. I think I noticed one more somewhere on the record, like a the end of a trumpet note that didn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Sounds very strange indeed. It is also on the YouTube version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 I don't remember these edits; should probably be listening more carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 yea dog until recently esp w/ blue note but other labels too i didnt realise just how much of my favorite hard bop is "bitches brew" style edited. i first started realising it when the mobley mosaic had a whole screwy set of peraramaters for one session.....then more recently in a bob cranshaw interview, he goes thru the recording process of 'the sidewinder', were the use of editing factored big in his story. did this start in the mid 50s? if you go back a little further i dont think they did this, no? like say on jazz lps 1950-55, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Dick 9 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: yea dog until recently esp w/ blue note but other labels too i didnt realise just how much of my favorite hard bop is "bitches brew" style edited. i first started realising it when the mobley mosaic had a whole screwy set of peraramaters for one session.....then more recently in a bob cranshaw interview, he goes thru the recording process of 'the sidewinder', were the use of editing factored big in his story. did this start in the mid 50s? if you go back a little further i dont think they did this, no? like say on jazz lps 1950-55, Two words - Richard Bock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: yea dog until recently esp w/ blue note but other labels too i didnt realise just how much of my favorite hard bop is "bitches brew" style edited. i first started realising it when the mobley mosaic had a whole screwy set of peraramaters for one session.....then more recently in a bob cranshaw interview, he goes thru the recording process of 'the sidewinder', were the use of editing factored big in his story. did this start in the mid 50s? if you go back a little further i dont think they did this, no? like say on jazz lps 1950-55, There are some edits on certain of the Buck Clayton Jam Sessions on Columbia during that period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 pacific jazz, oh really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 The ultimate foul-up by Richard Bock is the mess he made with Jim Hall's Pacific Jazz album. Editing out many of Carl Perkins and Red Mitchell's solos, then adding the overdubbed drums of Larry Bunker for a later edition. Some people should not be allowed anywhere near editing equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Talking about editing, wasn't there some rather huge and heavy-handed editing going on with certain Louis Armstrong recordings on Columbia in the 50s? I think Chris Albertson once wrote rather a detailed and acidic piece about this here. One piece of editing I personally really regret are those jam session recordings by Bird in Sweden in 1950. I think from the first time these were released in 1959/60 the editing was there. I have a Spanish Storyville pressing from the 70s where the liner notes even give details about the Swedish (cream of the crop, mind you) soloists edited out because "of no great interest" - and this by Lars Werner, jazzman, scribe and producer himself! Understandable considering the cult surrounding Bird but still a pity ... Edited February 15, 2018 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 On 15/02/2018 at 5:10 PM, Big Beat Steve said: Talking about editing, wasn't there some rather huge and heavy-handed editing going on with certain Louis Armstrong recordings on Columbia in the 50s? I think Chris Albertson once wrote rather a detailed and acidic piece about this here. One piece of editing I personally really regret are those jam session recordings by Bird in Sweden in 1950. I think from the first time these were released in 1959/60 the editing was there. I have a Spanish Storyville pressing from the 70s where the liner notes even give details about the Swedish (cream of the crop, mind you) soloists edited out because "of no great interest" - and this by Lars Werner, jazzman, scribe and producer himself! Understandable considering the cult surrounding Bird but still a pity ... The unedited Louis Armstrong plays W C Handy is getting on for twice as long as the old LP i used to have. But those were cuts to make the thing fit onto a 12" LP. Why they preferred to issue a 12 track LP rather than two with six tracks I don't know. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, The Magnificent Goldberg said: The unedited Louis Armstrong plays W C Handy is getting on for twice as long as the old LP i used to have. MG Is that on a cd? IIRC there were two different cd releases of that material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, medjuck said: Is that on a cd? IIRC there were two different cd releases of that material. Yes. This is what it looks like. The catalogue number (according to Discogs) is CBS 450981 2 I haven't got the actual thing, y'understand. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 Thanks I have that one and also the "corrected" release that matches the Lp (It has the overdubbed cut), but didn't realize that it was unedited. I dthought it might become a rarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 11:13 PM, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: yea dog until recently esp w/ blue note but other labels too i didnt realise just how much of my favorite hard bop is "bitches brew" style edited. i first started realising it when the mobley mosaic had a whole screwy set of peraramaters for one session.....then more recently in a bob cranshaw interview, he goes thru the recording process of 'the sidewinder', were the use of editing factored big in his story. did this start in the mid 50s? if you go back a little further i dont think they did this, no? like say on jazz lps 1950-55, Editing was certainly not unknown prior to '69, but In a Silent Way and Bitches took it to another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 Patti Page! MG 1 hour ago, medjuck said: Thanks I have that one and also the "corrected" release that matches the Lp (It has the overdubbed cut), but didn't realize that it was unedited. I dthought it might become a rarity. The notes say it's as recorded or words to that effect, I seem to remember, though I haven't had a look at 'em to check MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Magnificent Goldberg said: Patti Page! MG The notes say it's as recorded or words to that effect, I seem to remember, though I haven't had a look at 'em to check MG Just dug it up and looked at the notes. Six of the cuts are "previously unissued masters"-- which I guess means, alternate takes. However there's no suggestion that the originally released cuts were edited. The alternates are fairly close to the same length as the originals. Edited March 9, 2018 by medjuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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