Gheorghe Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Hello friends ! Yesterday I visited an old friend with whom I share the passion of fly-fishing for trout and he gave me some of his self made flies and ...... to my surprise he spinned Miles´ Birth of the Cool. He´s a vinyl freak but I didn´t know he listens to jazz, I had known he was more into rock. He showed me the album covers of Bitches Brew and so on, so he seems to like some kind of our music too. I´d like to make a present for him, I got the Mingus LP "Three or Four Shades of the Blues" with those guitars Larry Coryell and John Scofield and those really catchy tunes "Better Git it in Your Soul" and "Noddin´ Ya Head Blues". Since I have the CD I´d like to give him the LP: I think if he likes some jazz and is into 70´s rock, he might like that side of Mingus too. What do you think ? I remember when I started to listen to jazz (early 70´s ) my first "heroes" was Miles and Mingus. I didn´t even know about other artists. So Mingus was something like a "bottom" for me and I´d like to offer that hearing experience also to my old fly-fishing friend and (maybe "new") jazz friend...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 That record sold really well. I wasn't that crazy about it myself, but it sold really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted March 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yes it sold well, I was and still am a hard core Mingus Fan and didn´t buy it first since I was not curious about hearing Mingus with fusion guitarists, but a year later I bought it . My thought was, if the guy likes fusion and as a limited affinity to jazz and likes Bitches Brew and obviously listens also to the old "Birth of the Cool", he might like it, or it might be a point of departure. Many rock freaks during my youth got acquainted to electric Miles and then said oh maybe I should listen also to some other earlier Miles too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Fans of 70s rock will like Hancock's "Headhunters". There are several Pat Metheny or Mike Stern records that would fit the bill here. I've also found that they dig bombastic Blakey like "Free For All" or "Indestructible". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 I remember hearing Herbie’s ‘Crossings’ playing on a high profile BBC1 radio show by ‘Fluff’ Freeman which did mainly prog rock by the likes of King Crimson, Gentle Giant etc. So yes, the Herbie music of that vintage would definitely fit the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 It's not the best Mingus record obviously, but it is still a fine record. A good choice, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Sorry to be a curmudgeon, but it would be one of the last Mingus recordings I'd recommend to someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, paul secor said: Sorry to be a curmudgeon, but it would be one of the last Mingus recordings I'd recommend to someone. Me too, but it would seem to fit the bill here just fine. And Mingus never made a boring album. Early Larry Coryell records would work also. I especially like 'Fairlyland', 'Barefoot Boy', and 'Offering'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 I think it's a fine gesture; "Noddin' Ya Head Blues" is pretty fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 8 hours ago, felser said: And Mingus never made a boring album. I dunno, that trio album with Hampton Hawes tends to bore the shit out of me. If you want to give the guy some Mingus, give him some real Mingus. Booker Ervin plays "blues" a lot more intensely than any "rock" or "fusion" guitarist. Thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking and/or projection. So does Roland Kirk. Etc. The album in question won't convert anybody. It'll get played a few times, "liked", and then put aside, remembered as a kind gesture of a gift from a friend. I mean, that's cool, but so is a nice wicker creel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 3 hours ago, JSngry said: I dunno, that trio album with Hampton Hawes tends to bore the shit out of me. If you want to give the guy some Mingus, give him some real Mingus. Booker Ervin plays "blues" a lot more intensely than any "rock" or "fusion" guitarist. Thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking and/or projection. So does Roland Kirk. Etc. The album in question won't convert anybody. It'll get played a few times, "liked", and then put aside, remembered as a kind gesture of a gift from a friend. I mean, that's cool, but so is a nice wicker creel. Understood on the Hawes trio album. Give him "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady". I came to jazz from 60's/early-70's rock, but immediately fell in love with that one anyways, and it is still the ultimate Mingus album for me, even though as far removed from rock as can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Weil Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 A double album of Atlantic tracks hooked me on Mingus. it was the immediacy, lyricism and sheer power that got me - because, I suppose they reminded me of Rock, only more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Simon Weil said: A double album of Atlantic tracks hooked me on Mingus. it was the immediacy, lyricism and sheer power that got me - because, I suppose they reminded me of Rock, only more so. "Haitian Fight Song" !!! Edited March 2, 2018 by felser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 And before that, there was this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 For me the archetypical Mingus album was Mingus Ah Um but it was the first one I owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gheorghe Posted March 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Thank you for your kind and very helpful advices ! About the idea to give him stronger pronounced 70´s rock jazz, I think that might be stuff he might have anyway, at least Herbie Hancocks Headhunters. The point is I have some LPs I don´t play anymore since I got them on CD. About the "Three or Four Shades....", I didn´t buy it when it came out, when I first saw it I didn´t like the album cover, and the personnel (at least with Mingus), but one year later i bought it together with "Cumbia". Anyway, I played it sometimes for people who don´t have their roots in acoustic jazz, and they liked it. My two sons when they were in their teens they liked it, especially the first side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Weil Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 ...."Haitian Fight Song" !!! Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 9 hours ago, JSngry said: I used to have a pet cat in the 90's that I named Mingus. And ironically, he never reacted in any way to any other music I played, but was fascinated by the cricket sounds at the beginning of Cumbia and Jazz Fusion, and absolutely freaked out at the Tenor calls in Hog Callin' Blues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidewinder Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 11 hours ago, felser said: "Haitian Fight Song" !!! My first Mingus LPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Mingus is one of those jazz artists who rock fans tend to connect with fairly easily. Intense rhythms, memorable tunes, bluesy, "attitude". I don't see a reason to go via a mediocre fusiony recording. BLUES & ROOTS or MINGUS AH UM should do the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 hours ago, JSngry said: 1 - he wasn't nearly that clever. Sweet but really dumb (sort of the polar opposite of Charles Mingus, I guess). 2 - I take it you're a dog person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 That was Mingus' cat, Nightlife! http://mingusmingusmingus.com/mingus/cat-traning-program Used to be more of a cat person, but my wife is allergic. So we've always had dogs. Right now, I think I might prefer no pets, to be honest, but we have a rescue dog who's about a year old now. Smart as a whip, but not exactly the calmest person in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 the only mingus as a leader i have in my collection is the Uptown west coast jazz years cd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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