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Yeah, it was me who 'suggested' that it was underway  The material was all recorded by the bassist Don Thompson, at the request of Desmond who had heard some earlier tapes Don had done. (Thompson has LOTS of similar recordings).  I was at the studio when Don and a great engineer, Chad Irschik, were mastering some of the music.  Curiously, I was very much taken with the great improvement of the sound of Jerry Fuller's tasty drums, which I always thought were too far back in the original releases.

Don explained that some of his tapes were erroneously taken from him when the original 2-LP set was released, and he's now waiting for their return to finish disc 7 of the project. So, 6 are ready, 1 to go...  

There's terrific listening to come.  This was a special group, and the imminent release will offer further proof of the special interplay of especially Desmond and Bickert.

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Thanks for the update Ted.

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How much is previously unreleased?

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22 minutes ago, mjzee said:

How much is previously unreleased?

think mostly-all if not all.  There are of course different performances of the same compositions, and my cursory look at the paperwork (too busy listening!) didn't indicate any such information.  One of the great things will be the issue of tracks where Rob McConnell substitutes for Bickert, who was away for his father's funeral. Yeah:  valve trombone for guitar?!? But Rob's arranging chops have him creating backgrounds for Paul, and Desmond does the same for Rob, who plays as well and as appropriately as I ever heard him.

Something I should add -- I was in attendance at most of the Quartet's performances at the Bourbon St. club where these were recorded, and the overall ambiance of the selections I heard really seemed to capture the mood of the room.  Just like being there!

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2 hours ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

Yeah, it was me who 'suggested' that it was underway  The material was all recorded by the bassist Don Thompson, at the request of Desmond who had heard some earlier tapes Don had done. (Thompson has LOTS of similar recordings).  I was at the studio when Don and a great engineer, Chad Irschik, were mastering some of the music.  Curiously, I was very much taken with the great improvement of the sound of Jerry Fuller's tasty drums, which I always thought were too far back in the original releases.

Don explained that some of his tapes were erroneously taken from him when the original 2-LP set was released, and he's now waiting for their return to finish disc 7 of the project. So, 6 are ready, 1 to go...  

There's terrific listening to come.  This was a special group, and the imminent release will offer further proof of the special interplay of especially Desmond and Bickert.

Do you know if Don has any trio tapes of him playing with Ed that we haven't heard before? I can't wait for the Desmond/Bickert/ Thompson/Fuller and/or Clarke stuff to come out.

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3 hours ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

think mostly-all if not all.  There are of course different performances of the same compositions, and my cursory look at the paperwork (too busy listening!) didn't indicate any such information.  One of the great things will be the issue of tracks where Rob McConnell substitutes for Bickert, who was away for his father's funeral. Yeah:  valve trombone for guitar?!? But Rob's arranging chops have him creating backgrounds for Paul, and Desmond does the same for Rob, who plays as well and as appropriately as I ever heard him.

Something I should add -- I was in attendance at most of the Quartet's performances at the Bourbon St. club where these were recorded, and the overall ambiance of the selections I heard really seemed to capture the mood of the room.  Just like being there!

Wow.  I'm definitely looking forward to this.

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Wow redux!  Can't wait to get this... I have only the single 2000 Verve/A & M CD.  Fantastic news!

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I have everything that's been released so far, and won't at all mind having more.

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2 hours ago, sgcim said:

Do you know if Don has any trio tapes of him playing with Ed that we haven't heard before? I can't wait for the Desmond/Bickert/ Thompson/Fuller and/or Clarke stuff to come out.

I'll bet Don has hours and hours of such material, though I've never asked him about it.  He used to record a LOT of stuff, and there are also things in the vault at the CBC and my old station that feature Ed.  If one wanted to search through it all they'd find gold for Bickert fans, of whom I'm one...

Have you ever seen this? -- it's Ed, pre-Fender yet even more beautiful, featured with a Toronto band led by the late pianist Jimmy Dale. 

 

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Thanks for jumping in Ted.  You have done a nice job of describing how special this set will be.  I'm really interested in hearing the sets with McConnell.  I wonder if Mosaic is interested in any of the other material Don Thompson has lying around

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4 hours ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

I'll bet Don has hours and hours of such material, though I've never asked him about it.

"Thompson recorded many of the Bourbon Street gigs, and he says that he has about 25 reels of tape with Desmond, all of which need to be restored."

https://jazzhistoryonline.com/paul-desmond-canadians/

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18 hours ago, JSngry said:

I have everything that's been released so far, and won't at all mind having more.

Ditto!

 

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19 hours ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

I'll bet Don has hours and hours of such material, though I've never asked him about it.  He used to record a LOT of stuff, and there are also things in the vault at the CBC and my old station that feature Ed.  If one wanted to search through it all they'd find gold for Bickert fans, of whom I'm one...

Have you ever seen this? -- it's Ed, pre-Fender yet even more beautiful, featured with a Toronto band led by the late pianist Jimmy Dale. 

 

Beautiful playing by Bickert, the band, and fine arrangement of a tune I've got to check out. Thanks, Ted! The guy that posted it on you tube is a bass player named David Piltch, and he's got some other good stuff from that time period.

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2 hours ago, sgcim said:

Beautiful playing by Bickert, the band, and fine arrangement of a tune I've got to check out. Thanks, Ted! The guy that posted it on you tube is a bass player named David Piltch, and he's got some other good stuff from that time period.

David Piltch is indeed a bassist, originally from Toronto, and that's his father Bernie Piltch playing the flute in the video's freeze-frame.  David's older brother Rob is a great guitarist, and his sister Susan is a flutist, pianist and music teacher who was once married to the drummer Terry Clarke.  They formed a terrific 'family band' before Bernie's early and sudden death.  Is this too much Entertainment Tonigh territory? :rolleyes:

17 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

"Thompson recorded many of the Bourbon Street gigs, and he says that he has about 25 reels of tape with Desmond, all of which need to be restored."

https://jazzhistoryonline.com/paul-desmond-canadians/

He also has reels and reels and reels of many other great musicians.  Don always had good mics and an 8-track reel-to-reel recorder, often seen on gigs where he loved the musicians he worked with.  (Maybe the Dean Benedetti of Toronto, but with wider taste and newer equipment.)

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He has Bird tapes?

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The online Lord Discography has all the session info for the Mosaic release (269) already up there - Wow!! that was fast - and it hasn't even been released yet

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23 hours ago, romualdo said:

The online Lord Discography has all the session info for the Mosaic release (269) already up there - Wow!! that was fast - and it hasn't even been released yet

It has to be incomplete...Thompson told me just last Friday that he's still waiting on the return of some of his tapes from A&M/Horizon who (inadvertently?)  took them after mixing the original releases.  I'm not on TJD but they can't be right as of yet.  Unless Thompson, who's producing this release, in fact knows just what he wants from the missing tapes...

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1 hour ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

It has to be incomplete...Thompson told me just last Friday that he's still waiting on the return of some of his tapes from A&M/Horizon who (inadvertently?)  took them after mixing the original releases.  I'm not on TJD but they can't be right as of yet.  Unless Thompson, who's producing this release, in fact knows just what he wants from the missing tapes...

Besides Desmond enthusiasts, you don't know how many jazz guitarists are flipping out over this!

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15 hours ago, sgcim said:

Besides Desmond enthusiasts, you don't know how many jazz guitarists are flipping out over this!

Yeah, I'm beginning to get that feeling -- and well they should.  Ed Bickert is starting to get the attention he deserves, but never sought.  And I'll say the same about Don Thompson, just about the only musical genius I've ever known.  Piano, bass, vibes, drums, writing, arranging, producing, teaching...  He's really something!

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Ted: You have sort of answered this above. but just seeking some clarity.

Does the set include music from both the March '75 and Oct/Nov '75 gigs?

Does the set include the music already released or is it all unreleased? 

Thanks

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16 hours ago, sgcim said:

Besides Desmond enthusiasts, you don't know how many jazz guitarists are flipping out over this!

Not to speak about dedicated Don Thompson followers, if I may add ....

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20 hours ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

It has to be incomplete...Thompson told me just last Friday that he's still waiting on the return of some of his tapes from A&M/Horizon who (inadvertently?)  took them after mixing the original releases.  I'm not on TJD but they can't be right as of yet.  Unless Thompson, who's producing this release, in fact knows just what he wants from the missing tapes...

Do those tapes still even exist?  If they were in Horizon/A&M’s possession, wouldn’t they have gone into Universal’s possession, and then there was that fire...

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4 hours ago, Ted O'Reilly said:

Yeah, I'm beginning to get that feeling -- and well they should.  Ed Bickert is starting to get the attention he deserves, but never sought.  And I'll say the same about Don Thompson, just about the only musical genius I've ever known.  Piano, bass, vibes, drums, writing, arranging, producing, teaching...  He's really something!

Thompson had a lot more visibility than Ed, because he toured with John Handy back in the 70s (including the well-known Monterey jazz festival performance), and then toured with George Shearing for a while. Ed barely left Toronto!

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On 3.9.2019 at 1:19 AM, romualdo said:

The online Lord Discography has all the session info for the Mosaic release (269) already up there - Wow!! that was fast - and it hasn't even been released yet

Could you share the track listing pls .... 

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It will be a memorable Mosaic set. I've long been a fan of Ed Bickert and Don Thompson, in addition to Paul Desmond. If you haven't picked up the privately issued home recordings of George Shearing, which features duets with Thompson (along with a few Shearing solos), it is worth acquiring.

 

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