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New Woody Herman Mosaic

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1 hour ago, Captain Howdy said:

 

No, I don't have any vinyl nor even a turntable. :o

@Captain Howdy:
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I wasn't specifically talking about YOU but about whether "one" would have all the material you are referring to here if "one" had all these Bluebirds twofers? I.e. I was asking a discographical question. See what I mean? ;)

More specifically, I have about 4 of these 8 twofers (and no doubt would be able to source more if looking closer) plus the run of the RCA Black & White 2-albums sets and a number of other BG RCA-period orchestra and small group vinyls (plus the occasional CD compilation) so I guess I have what I'd want to have. But of course the Bluebirds look like they would cover the grounds in the most straightforward manner.

And FWIW to me the Bluebird twofer reissues (regardless of which band) do not sound that bad.

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I never looked into the LPs, but here is the complete RCA orchestral discography 1935-39 (as far as I know) assembled from CDs if that's any help:

Hunkadola [tk 1]
I'm Livin' in a Great Big Way
Hooray for Love
Japanese Sandman
Always
Get Rhythm in Your Feet
Ballad in Blue
Blue Skies
Dear Old Southland
Sometimes I'm Happy
Hunkadola [tk 2]
King Porter Stomp
The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea
Jingle Bells
Good-Bye
Madhouse [tk 1]
Madhouse [tk 2]
Sandman
No Other One
Eeny Meeny Miney Mo
Basin Street Blues
If I Could Be with You One Hour Tonight
When Buddha Smiles
It's Been So Long
Stompin' at the Savoy
Goody-Goody
Breakin' in a Pair of Shoes
Get Happy
Christopher Columbus
I Know That You Know
House Hop [tk 3]
There's a Small Hotel
You Turned the Tables on Me
Here's Love in Your Eyes
Pick Yourself Up
Down South Camp Meeting
St. Louis Blues [tk 1]
Love Me or Leave Me [tk 1]
Bugle Call Rag (#1)
Organ Grinder's Swing
Star Dust
You Can't Pull the Wool Over My Eyes
The Glory of Love
Remember
Walk, Jennie, Walk
House Hop [tk 2]
Sing Me a Swing Song
Anything for You
In a Sentimental Mood
I've Found a New Baby
Swingtime in the Rockies
St. Louis Blues [tk 2]
Love Me or Leave Me [tk 2]
Riffin' at the Ritz
Alexander's Ragtime Band
Somebody Loves Me
'Tain't No Use
Bugle Call Rag
Jam Session
Goodnight, My Love
Take Another Guess
Did You Mean It
When You and I Were Young, Maggie
Smoke Dreams
Swing Low, Sweet Chariot
He Ain't Got Rhythm
You Can Tell She Comes from Dixie
Goodnight My Love
I Want to Be Happy
Chloe (Song of the Swamp)
Rosetta
Peckin'
Can't We Be Friends
Sing, Sing, Sing
Roll 'em
When It's Sleepy Time Down South
Changes
Bob White.mp3
Sugarfoot Stomp
I Can't Give You Anything but Love
Minnie the Moocher's Wedding Day
Camel Hop [take 1]
Life Goes to a Party [take 2]
I'm Like a Fish Out of Water
Don't Be That Way [take 1]
One O'Clock Jump [take 1]
Ti-Pi-Tin
Always and Always
The Blue Room
Lullaby in Rhythm
I Never Knew
Camel Hop [take 2]
Life Goes to a Party [take 3]
Don't Be That Way [take 2]
One O'Clock Jump [take 2]
Sweet Sue—Just You
Feelin' High and Happy
Big John Special
My Melancholy Baby
Wrappin' It Up
The Flat Foot Floogee
Margie
Russian Lullaby
Bumble Bee Stomp
Ciribiribin
Topsy
Smoke House Rhythm
My Honey's Lovin' Arms
Farewell Blues
It Had to Be You
Louise
Whispering
Bach Goes to Town
I'll Always Be in Love with You
Undecided
Blue Lou
The Blues
And the Angels Sing
Sent for You Yesterday
Estrellita
The Kingdom of Swing
Rose of Washington Square
The Siren's Song
Pick-A-Rib
Who'll Buy My Bublitchki
 

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Thanks! Did a quick spot check starting from the end and see a few female vocals are not in your list that are on the LPs. Will have to check against my copy of Rust, maybe.

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30 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said:

Thanks! Did a quick spot check starting from the end and see a few female vocals are not in your list that are on the LPs. Will have to check against my copy of Rust, maybe.

Oh, nuts. I just realized that that's my playlist I posted, so I probably excluded songs I dislike, and most of those would be vocals. I see that I excluded "Popcorn Man", for instance. :lol: So it's not complete after all. Sorry. I used BG on the Record; A Bio-Discography of Benny Goodman to compile the list, so if the LPs follow my list roughly it's likely that they include most of his recordings.

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I wouldn't hold it against you that you dislike THESE songs. ;) Probably same here if I were to narrow down the selections. I was just wondering because the Jimmy Rushing vocal was in there and so were 1 or 2 Martha Tilton vocals. So no clear criteria for exclusion that were discernible.

But never mind. I will check elsewhere. I just thought I'd ask you (as someone who'd checked BG's output closely) because as opposed to discographies like those by Rust or even Bruyninckx there may be more TODAY that have since been issued and would now be part of whatever reissue project there is.

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1 hour ago, Captain Howdy said:

Oh, nuts. I just realized that that's my playlist I posted, so I probably excluded songs I dislike, and most of those would be vocals. I see that I excluded "Popcorn Man", for instance. :lol: So it's not complete after all. Sorry. I used BG on the Record; A Bio-Discography of Benny Goodman to compile the list, so if the LPs follow my list roughly it's likely that they include most of his recordings.

The original issue of "Popcorn Man" was withdrawn shortly after it was issued, so the 78 is rather scarce.

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The first two Bluebird RCA releases include several alternate tracks. I don't know if they were on the LPs or not. 

The Birth of Swing:

Hunkadola
Madhouse
House Hop
St. Louis Blues
Love Me or Leave Me 

The Harry James Years Vol. 1:

Camel Hop (Take 1)
Camel Hop (Take 2)
Life Goes To A Party (Take 1)
Life Goes To a Party (Take 3)
Don't Be That Way (Take 1)
Don't Be That Way (Take 2)
One O'Clock Jump (Take 1)
One O'Clock Jump (Take 2)

The 2007 Essential Benny Goodman claims to include "previously un-issued master takes of 'Sing, Sing, Sing' and 'Don't Be That Way'", though how that's possible I don't know. :P

And you've discovered my dirty secret: I don't much care for Jimmy Rushing.

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Re the forthcoming Herman Mosaic, Jeff Sultanof will be doing the booklet notes.

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Who is he?

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ok, thanks.

How many of the key people from these sessions are still alive? Hopefully they've been reached out to. I always love hearing recollections from people who were there.

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35 minutes ago, ghost of miles said:

I know him primarily from his participation in Mike Fitzgerald's jazz-research listserv.  He's written a book I'd like to read called Experiencing Big Band Jazz:  A Listener's Companion.

And here's his bio.

 

Not wanting to dismiss him too rashly but for obvious reasons of interest in the music of that era I've had this on my Amazon buying list for some time but reading the reviews in various places has left me with rather mixed feelings about the depth of coverage and I've put it on hold for the time being.
Quite apart from all the other books on the Swing era, where would this book fit in and add something profoundly new as a listener's guide beyond the "Swing" volume of the "Third Ear" listening companion book series (which I rather like) and the "Music Hound Essential Album Guide" on Swing (which I had bought before the Third Ear book and still find useful but prefer the Third Ear book now). I do wonder what kind of "companion" this one REALLY is and if he aims at more than the total or almost total newbies to the music. OTOH, if he can provide an up to date guide to where to pick the best reissue(s) by the Floyd Ray band (to name just ONE example ;)) , then I'll be won over. ^_^

Edit:Checking again I see that the post-swing big bands of jazz covered in the book should add something new vs the above-listedbooks but I wonder about the balance of it all. Will probably have to check sample pages somewhere.

But what I can say I don't like (if the reviews are right in this respect) is listening recommendations based on Youtube. This is for tasters, fast consumption but not for ongoing listening. Besides, how fast is a book based on Youtube availability going to be outdated? (No, I'm not on Facebook and won't be)

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8 hours ago, JSngry said:

ok, thanks.

How many of the key people from these sessions are still alive? Hopefully they've been reached out to. I always love hearing recollections from people who were there.

Not sure--the set ends in 1954, right?  Seems unlikely that many (if any) are still around, but I think Sultanof would indeed try to reach out to them.  From what I've read of his writing, I think he'll be very good on the music itself.  

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12 minutes ago, ghost of miles said:

Not sure--the set ends in 1954, right?  Seems unlikely that many (if any) are still around, but I think Sultanof would indeed try to reach out to them.  From what I've read of his writing, I think he'll be very good on the music itself.  

Randy Marsh's father tenorman Arno Marsh is still with us I believe, and he was a mainstay in the Herman band in the Mars label era. Randy was the original  drummer in Organissimo, and a damn fine drummer too.

Sultanof bio:
http://www.ejazzlines.com/pages/about-us/jeff-sultanof-biography/

Also go to Doug Ramsey's blog Rifftides and enter Sultanof's name in the search box. He's made a number of interesting posts there over the years. 

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29 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:

Also go to Doug Ramsey's blog Rifftides and enter Sultanof's name in the search box. He's made a number of interesting posts there over the years. 

You beat me to it...  Sultanof does seem to know his stuff, and writes well about it.

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BTW, Jim, Sultanof is an expert on Robert Farnon's music; he worked with Farnon on getting authoritative scores in shape and published. Also, do you know Farnon's arrangement of "Laura"? Good grief!
 


 

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Who else besides Arno Marsh? Last we heard here, Arno was alive and well. Hope that's still the case.

I do know Robert Farnon, although his later work more than his earlier.

 

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11 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

BTW, Jim, Sultanof is an expert on Robert Farnon's music; he worked with Farnon on getting authoritative scores in shape and published. Also, do you know Farnon's arrangement of "Laura"? Good grief!
 


 

did you mean "good grief" as in "that's not so great?" Personally I found the arrangement to be overripe. 

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No -- I thought it was gorgeous. Isn't "Laura" inherently very ripe?

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