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Like magic, new month, new test thus appeareth:

http://www.thomkeith.net/index.php/blindfold-tests/

A few notes:

1.  This is my last one, so I pulled out all the stops. 17 tracks (and believe it or not far less grease or hard bop than in the past).

2. The Gene/Not Gene tracks are fiendishly clever. Can't believe I never thought of these two before.

3. Track 17 is NSFW - Not Safe for Work.  No it's not Baby It's Cold Outside, and not an especially crude rap/jazz hybrid. Just ... not safe for work. :ph34r:

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Track 8 - James Moody ‘Secret Love’ from ‘Never Again !’ (Muse) with Mickey Tucker on B3 organ.

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5 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

Track 8 - James Moody ‘Secret Love’ from ‘Never Again !’ (Muse) with Mickey Tucker on B3 organ.

Authoritative, but wrong on all counts, including the presence of a B3. :P

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Track 1 is from one of Horace Silver’s later Blue Note albums I think.

Track 11 sounds like Arthur Blythe from one of his Columbia albums with Bob Stewart on tuba. ‘Illusions?’ This one really grooves !

Just now, Dan Gould said:

Authoritative, but wrong on all counts, including the presence of a B3. :P

Really?  I’ll quit now then whilst I’m behind..:D

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2 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

Track 1 is from one of Horace Silver’s later Blue Note albums I think.

Track 11 sounds like Arthur Blythe from one of his Columbia albums with Bob Stewart on tuba. ‘Illusions?’ This one really grooves !

OK I think something is wrong. Track 11 is groovy trio no tuba. Strange if you're listening to a different test as BFT178 is right at the top of the player.

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Please ignore my inputs. Looks like I’m commenting on the wrong BFT - having trouble accessing it.

I hope this isn’t an omen for the year ahead..:rolleyes:

Working now...

Track 7 sounds like Eddie Lockjaw Davis. ‘Bye Bye Blackbird’. Is this one from that late period Steeplechase album?

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Track 13 is Cedar Walton’s ‘Bolivia’. Not Cedar though - would this be by that Ben Markley Big Band album of his tunes?

Track 14 is a version of Tina Brooks’ ‘True Blue’ by a more recent band. Idris Muhammed on drums and Kenny Garrett on alto immediately recognisable. The Good Doctor on B3?

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Track 17 is a shocker ! :lol:  In between the heavy breathing of the ‘main feature’, sounds like it could be Woody Shaw or Benny Bailey on flu-gel. Sal Nistico on tenor? Kenny Drew piano ?

Obviously note a Blue Note session..

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34 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

Please ignore my inputs. Looks like I’m commenting on the wrong BFT - having trouble accessing it.

I hope this isn’t an omen for the year ahead..:rolleyes:

Working now...

Track 7 sounds like Eddie Lockjaw Davis. ‘Bye Bye Blackbird’. Is this one from that late period Steeplechase album?

Not Lock but ...

18 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

Track 13 is Cedar Walton’s ‘Bolivia’. Not Cedar though - would this be by that Ben Markley Big Band album of his tunes?

Track 14 is a version of Tina Brooks’ ‘True Blue’ by a more recent band. Idris Muhammed on drums and Kenny Garrett on alto immediately recognisable. The Good Doctor on B3?

Ding ding.  And Ding Ding.

On the former I wasn't aware of any discussion of this release so I thought I might sneak something thru.  The soloist should be noted perhaps someone here has the album ... 

3 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

Track 17 is a shocker ! :lol:  In between the heavy breathing of the ‘main feature’, sounds like it could be Woody Shaw or Benny Bailey on flu-gel. Sal Nistico on tenor? Kenny Drew piano ?

Obviously note a Blue Note session..

:g

I think the musicians would be pleased by such a comparison ...

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Track 2: "Jumpin' with Symphony Sid"

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#1 sure sounds like "Jump for Joy."  I can't say what artist.

#2, as pointed out by BillF, is "Symphony Sid."  Again, I don't know about the artist.

#3 sounds a bit like Jarrett, with that humming and keening going on.  But the tenor solo would seem to toss that out the window.

#4 is good funky organ stuff, but I guess my knowledge is not big enough to speculate.

#5 sounds a bit like Wynton atop a parade rhythm, but it's probably someone else. 

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6 minutes ago, Milestones said:

#1 sure sounds like "Jump for Joy."  I can't say what artist.

#2, as pointed out by BillF, is "Symphony Sid."  Again, I don't know about the artist.

#3 sounds a bit like Jarrett, with that humming and keening going on.  But the tenor solo would seem to toss that out the window.

#4 is good funky organ stuff, but I guess my knowledge is not big enough to speculate.

#5 sounds a bit like Wynton atop a parade rhythm, but it's probably someone else. 

Well you did get the title of track 1, and Bill was right about track 2.  #3 is not Jarrett.

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#7 sounds like "Bye Byye Blackbird," but something else is quoted.  

#8 is "Easy Living."  Ben Webster?  Maybe, but I doubt it.

#9 "Summertime," but not one of the 50  or so versions I have heard.

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Right on the titles, not Ben Webster (and very surprised you went there). 

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55 minutes ago, Milestones said:

#7 sounds like "Bye Byye Blackbird," but something else is quoted.  

#8 is "Easy Living."  Ben Webster?  Maybe, but I doubt it.

 

#10 is "St. Louis Blues."  Now this for sure sounds like Ben Webster.  But I think the pianist is the leader.

#16 has a Kenny Burrell or Wes Montgomery quality, but I'm sure it's neither one.  The phasing at first sounded like Kenny's, but not the tone.  As I listen more, it seems closer to Wes.

Otherwise, I'm stumped.  Numbers 11 and 12 sound like the same piano-led track. 

The final track is a decent swinging number seemingly superimposed over a porn scene.

  

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Has anyone else tried the download? I prefer to listen that way, but the zipped folder seems to only have one track in it.

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13 hours ago, Milestones said:

 

#10 is "St. Louis Blues."  Now this for sure sounds like Ben Webster.  But I think the pianist is the leader.

#16 has a Kenny Burrell or Wes Montgomery quality, but I'm sure it's neither one.  The phasing at first sounded like Kenny's, but not the tone.  As I listen more, it seems closer to Wes.

Otherwise, I'm stumped.  Numbers 11 and 12 sound like the same piano-led track. 

The final track is a decent swinging number seemingly superimposed over a porn scene.

  

It is Webster and its interesting that you think the pianist is the leader.

Edit to add: I meant to also say that this was not meant as a gimme for Webster, the interesting aspect of the session is the rest of the band, the circumstances of the recording, and the results.

Guitar track is not Kenny or Wes.

The piano trios are not the same. One is 3:35 the other is 3:40.  As I said, fiendishly clever.

10 hours ago, jeffcrom said:

Has anyone else tried the download? I prefer to listen that way, but the zipped folder seems to only have one track in it.

I get the same thing Jeff. Hopefully Thom will figure out what's going on; would be great for you to jump in as you always had interesting thoughts when you were a regular BFT participant.

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8 hours ago, Milestones said:

Would 11 and/or 12 be Gene Harris?

I'm afraid you'll have to be more specific.  Would also help to show your work.

In other words ...

maybe.JPG

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23 hours ago, jeffcrom said:

Has anyone else tried the download? I prefer to listen that way, but the zipped folder seems to only have one track in it.

Jeff. have you tried using Mozilla Firefox as your browser? I have found that Thom Keith's site does not play well on certain browsers, but Firefox seems to work well. . If not, I will contact Thom Keith and have him fix it pronto.

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Yes, I tried with two different browsers, including Firefox. I'm going to participate in any case, even if I just stream the music.

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56 minutes ago, jeffcrom said:

Yes, I tried with two different browsers, including Firefox. I'm going to participate in any case, even if I just stream the music.

Jeff, Thom Keith is reuploading and says to try again. 

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Download works fine now; looking forward to listening.

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Finally got around to this.  A lot of nice stuff in here (even that last cut). 

Track 01 - Jump For Joy, but by whom?  Not an alto I recognize.  In fact, sounds more like a tenor player playing alto.  Phrasing seems to be out of a similar school to Plas Johnson.  I'm calling this one not Gene (which means I'll be wrong). Not sure it's one I'd spin often, but if it came on somewhere, I'd be happy it did.  

Track 02 - Jumpin' With Symphony Sid.  Later recording.  As it goes on, I'm more convinced it's a more recent player.  Doesn't seem to have that pure swing feel (definitely has some signs of the post-Coltrane influence).  Something doesn't quite gel.  I think it's the time.  Drums are a bit... not stiff, but they just seem to lack natural swing.  Tenor... can't put my finger on it.  It's more of a modern sound, and it doesn't completely fit what he's playing.  Again, I'm not sold, but if it came on the radio, I'd probably be into it.  Ah!  A clue!  It's live.  That could explain some of what I'm hearing.  The audience doesn't seem too engaged, and that's the feel I'm getting.  Organ is fine, but man, those drums... just not doing it for me.  Tenor is clicking more second time around.  I do not care for the drummer.  

Track 03 - This already has a better feel.  Even though the keys are angular, the drummer is firing and it's clicking.  Hummy pianist.  I should know the song, but not quite placing it.  Another more modern player, but this one is clicking.  More out of, say, a George Coleman era (perhaps a shade later?).  The time is smack on for this whole band.  For my ears, this is about the fastest tempo I need (better than 99% of the time).  It's in the pocket, but right at the opening.  Swings, flows -- diggin' it. Sadly, not a friggin' clue who it might be.  Weird guess on the drums:  Idris Muhammad?  

Track 04 - Man, this is some jive!  Of the samba variety, that is.  Wait.  That "ah, yeeaaah!" certainly sounds like a familiar voice.  I don't recognize these people.  I like the tenor -- not as much as the previous cut -- but I do like this.  A bit busy, and perhaps not quite as spot on in terms of the time, but still a good ride.  Don't care for the way that tenor is mic'd (splitting hairs, I know).  

Track 05 - I like where it's aiming, there's nothing "wrong" with it, but it just isn't resonating.  I appreciate the second-line feel, and like the trumpet player's phrasing, but the whole only seems to add up to the sum of the parts.  

Track 06 - Tune seems familiar, but can't place it.  This trumpeter is a survivor.  The whole date has that feel.  In fact, seems a bit older (early 80s?), but the players seem to be "of a certain age."  It's real and it shows.  The style strikes me as Ruby Braff (which is a regular guess of mine, but that's what I'm hearing).

Track 07 - Okay, calling this Gene.  Can't place the tenor.  Seems like a hybrid between Harold Ashby and Buddy Tate, but not enough like either guy.  Ballsy, but perhaps a second tier guy?  Nice quote of Organ Grinder Swing there at the end.  Oh, and obviously, Bye, Bye Blackbird.

Track 08 - Easy Living.  Another survivor (it's in the vibrato).  An almost Marsh-like quality to the tenor.  It's not Christlieb, this guy is older than that.  This is just a classic ballad, perfectly executed.  Very nice.

Track 09 - Summertime, nicely done.  Thinking a more modern band.  A very tasteful rendition.  Trombone, especially, staying within himself.  I can name all the guys I'm sure it ain't, but otherwise, I got nothin'.  

Track 10 - And more of that warm weather.  Sure has that Gene sound, but I'm going NOT Gene!  I accept your challenge, sir!  But, boy... I'm doubting the absolute f*** out of that.  Yeah... I'm caving.  Gene.  What's not to love about this?  Man, I thought sure that breathy tenor was Ben, but... damnit... I'm bouncing back and forth.  It ain't, but man, he's got it.  Harold Ashby on a great day?  Man, I'll take a LOT more of this!  

Track 11 - Ah!  I'm working backward because I lost a track.  Apparently, I should know this tune.  I'm saying NOT Gene on this one (reversing what I originally said about the next.

Track 12 - Not Gene, and sticking to my damned guns, this time.  I love it, though.  Aaaaaand, changing my mind -- Gene.

Track 13 - There we go!  Bolivia, but not a version I'm familiar with.  GREAT tune!  CEDAR!  Not Cedar, but a very nice recording.  Funny, I have a few covers of this, and all are excellent.   MAN!  That guy wrote some GREAT tunes!  Arrangement isn't really getting me in any place special, but it's not a negative, either.  Could this be a later Curtis Fuller date?  Not feeling the drummer (on the breaks, especially), but that bassist is killin' it.  

Track 14 - More second line.  Sure sounds like Kenny Garrett to me.  Yeah, sure of that one.  I like him, but man, I really liked him when he first arrived -- very hungry.  He's more polished now, but the hunger is not the same.  Tenor player is too lick happy.  Could even be Grover (if not, certainly has listened to a LOT of Grover), but just doesn't... swing.  That out-chorus sounds like they're not in the same room to me; just doesn't mesh.

Track 15 - Another later tenor.  Very accomplished chops guy.  Not someone I'm familiar with.  Also out of that trilly, smooth school.  That B section of of the head he manages to sound just like Pharoah at times (a good thing).  I do not know this record.  Not a thing wrong with it, just doesn't click for me.  Live, it'd be a fun ride, though.  Oddly, there is a band here in the NH area that plays this feel really well.

Track 16 - I like the feel, a lot.  Guitar solo is a chorus too long.  No, it's TWO choruses too long.  Maybe three [enough, already!].  

Track 17 - Thought I had a virus window pop-up in the background from YouPorn.  Hit stop and realized I was in the clear.  My wife IS a little curious (glad I didn't listen to this at work!).  Not sure what this is, but sure would like to hear the music minus the... other (or are they just sharing an ice cream sundae?).  Gene?

Jesus Christ!  What the hell is track 17 and. who the hell IS the show off?!?  Hell, *I* arrived four minutes ago!

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41 minutes ago, tkeith said:

Finally got around to this.  A lot of nice stuff in here (even that last cut). 

Track 01 - Jump For Joy, but by whom?  Not an alto I recognize.  In fact, sounds more like a tenor player playing alto.  Phrasing seems to be out of a similar school to Plas Johnson.  I'm calling this one not Gene (which means I'll be wrong). Not sure it's one I'd spin often, but if it came on somewhere, I'd be happy it did.  

Not someone who doubles, and not really out of a Plas place.

Track 02 - Jumpin' With Symphony Sid.  Later recording.  As it goes on, I'm more convinced it's a more recent player.  Doesn't seem to have that pure swing feel (definitely has some signs of the post-Coltrane influence).  Something doesn't quite gel.  I think it's the time.  Drums are a bit... not stiff, but they just seem to lack natural swing.  Tenor... can't put my finger on it.  It's more of a modern sound, and it doesn't completely fit what he's playing.  Again, I'm not sold, but if it came on the radio, I'd probably be into it.  Ah!  A clue!  It's live.  That could explain some of what I'm hearing.  The audience doesn't seem too engaged, and that's the feel I'm getting.  Organ is fine, but man, those drums... just not doing it for me.  Tenor is clicking more second time around.  I do not care for the drummer.  

I picked this specifically for the drummer, and to see how closely-attuned ears like yours and Jim's would react to him. No mistake, I like the tenor, have found several of his recordings in the past year, so having him in the band was a part of this track making it on the list. But the drummer made it a must-include.

Track 03 - This already has a better feel.  Even though the keys are angular, the drummer is firing and it's clicking.  Hummy pianist.  I should know the song, but not quite placing it.  Another more modern player, but this one is clicking.  More out of, say, a George Coleman era (perhaps a shade later?).  The time is smack on for this whole band.  For my ears, this is about the fastest tempo I need (better than 99% of the time).  It's in the pocket, but right at the opening.  Swings, flows -- diggin' it. Sadly, not a friggin' clue who it might be.  Weird guess on the drums:  Idris Muhammad?  

Not Idris. Tenor can fairly be described as Coleman's generation.

Track 04 - Man, this is some jive!  Of the samba variety, that is.  Wait.  That "ah, yeeaaah!" certainly sounds like a familiar voice.  I don't recognize these people.  I like the tenor -- not as much as the previous cut -- but I do like this.  A bit busy, and perhaps not quite as spot on in terms of the time, but still a good ride.  Don't care for the way that tenor is mic'd (splitting hairs, I know).  

Another tenor I wanted to highlight.  MG or Jim may ID.

Track 05 - I like where it's aiming, there's nothing "wrong" with it, but it just isn't resonating.  I appreciate the second-line feel, and like the trumpet player's phrasing, but the whole only seems to add up to the sum of the parts.  

Track 06 - Tune seems familiar, but can't place it.  This trumpeter is a survivor.  The whole date has that feel.  In fact, seems a bit older (early 80s?), but the players seem to be "of a certain age."  It's real and it shows.  The style strikes me as Ruby Braff (which is a regular guess of mine, but that's what I'm hearing).

Not Braff but yes, a "survivor".

Track 07 - Okay, calling this Gene.  Can't place the tenor.  Seems like a hybrid between Harold Ashby and Buddy Tate, but not enough like either guy.  Ballsy, but perhaps a second tier guy?  Nice quote of Organ Grinder Swing there at the end.  Oh, and obviously, Bye, Bye Blackbird.

Not Ashby or Tate. Another one for MG to spot if he's able.

Track 08 - Easy Living.  Another survivor (it's in the vibrato).  An almost Marsh-like quality to the tenor.  It's not Christlieb, this guy is older than that.  This is just a classic ballad, perfectly executed.  Very nice.

I think people will be surprised by this tenor.

Track 09 - Summertime, nicely done.  Thinking a more modern band.  A very tasteful rendition.  Trombone, especially, staying within himself.  I can name all the guys I'm sure it ain't, but otherwise, I got nothin'.  

Track 10 - And more of that warm weather.  Sure has that Gene sound, but I'm going NOT Gene!  I accept your challenge, sir!  But, boy... I'm doubting the absolute f*** out of that.  Yeah... I'm caving.  Gene.  What's not to love about this?  Man, I thought sure that breathy tenor was Ben, but... damnit... I'm bouncing back and forth.  It ain't, but man, he's got it.  Harold Ashby on a great day?  Man, I'll take a LOT more of this!  

Not Gene, and Milestones correctly ID'd Webster. As I mentioned earlier the track was chosen for the pianist and the circumstances of the recording.

Track 11 - Ah!  I'm working backward because I lost a track.  Apparently, I should know this tune.  I'm saying NOT Gene on this one (reversing what I originally said about the next.

Track 12 - Not Gene, and sticking to my damned guns, this time.  I love it, though.  Aaaaaand, changing my mind -- Gene.

I've decided I will not ID or acknowledge this pair of tracks before the reveal, unless someone offers full identification of one or the other.

Track 13 - There we go!  Bolivia, but not a version I'm familiar with.  GREAT tune!  CEDAR!  Not Cedar, but a very nice recording.  Funny, I have a few covers of this, and all are excellent.   MAN!  That guy wrote some GREAT tunes!  Arrangement isn't really getting me in any place special, but it's not a negative, either.  Could this be a later Curtis Fuller date?  Not feeling the drummer (on the breaks, especially), but that bassist is killin' it.  

Not Fuller.  Not sure how the trombonist would react to the comparison.

Track 14 - More second line.  Sure sounds like Kenny Garrett to me.  Yeah, sure of that one.  I like him, but man, I really liked him when he first arrived -- very hungry.  He's more polished now, but the hunger is not the same.  Tenor player is too lick happy.  Could even be Grover (if not, certainly has listened to a LOT of Grover), but just doesn't... swing.  That out-chorus sounds like they're not in the same room to me; just doesn't mesh.

Yes to Garrett as I think Sidewinder ID'd. 

Track 15 - Another later tenor.  Very accomplished chops guy.  Not someone I'm familiar with.  Also out of that trilly, smooth school.  That B section of of the head he manages to sound just like Pharoah at times (a good thing).  I do not know this record.  Not a thing wrong with it, just doesn't click for me.  Live, it'd be a fun ride, though.  Oddly, there is a band here in the NH area that plays this feel really well.

Track 16 - I like the feel, a lot.  Guitar solo is a chorus too long.  No, it's TWO choruses too long.  Maybe three [enough, already!].  

Track 17 - Thought I had a virus window pop-up in the background from YouPorn.  Hit stop and realized I was in the clear.  My wife IS a little curious (glad I didn't listen to this at work!).  Not sure what this is, but sure would like to hear the music minus the... other (or are they just sharing an ice cream sundae?).  Gene?

Jesus Christ!  What the hell is track 17 and. who the hell IS the show off?!?  Hell, *I* arrived four minutes ago!

:g

Thanks as always for your thoughts Thom, I'm glad you enjoyed a good chunk of it.

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